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Old 23-03-2016, 05:51   #61
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Re: 1980 C&C 40 as a blue water boat?

The April 2014 Practical Sailor has a very thorough write up On your C&C 40
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Old 23-03-2016, 06:22   #62
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Have you made a list of what your future boat must have, and what would be nice to have? That makes looking for boats a lot easier.

For instance, my personal must-haves included: keel stepped mast,

Would not have one if you paid me..

rudder on skeg,

Agreed

2 long and comfortable settees (no dinette), L or U shaped galley, deep cockpit etc.

Loved my 'Longbow' layout... long galley to starboard, L shaped setee with table that drops to make a double.. I've never had trouble cooking at sea in any conditions.


Would be nice included things like: head near the entrance,

Not fussed as long as its not in the bow like 'Wotties' where one has to strap onto the throne in lumpy Southern sea's...

actual door to close off V-berth, no "mid cockpit traveler" etc.

Agreed.. cabin top or aft traveller...

Obviously, those were just my personal wannahaves, yours can be totally different. May want to add a budget too But knowing what you want / are looking for makes selecting boats a whole lot easier.
Just my personal likes...
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Old 23-03-2016, 07:21   #63
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Hey Nick, here is another in the area, not sure if this type of boat is of interest, I know she will not strike anyone as "roomy" for a boat with 41' LOA, but they are famous, they were built strong, long keel, narrow beam old school CCA design, and love to sail on their side about 20 degrees. I think most folks would agree the design is very sea-worthy and sea-kindly, like the Spencer. This one appears to be in good shape also, and has been cared for, and appears to have a beautifully re-done interior.
1959 Phil Rhodes Design 1959 Bounty II Sloop sailboat for sale in Washington
It's just another one that I would look at.
Don, I think the saying goes, she is beautiful, she is just not my type.

Someone did a really nice job on that interior, it is gorgeous.
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Re: 1980 C&C 40 as a blue water boat?

Guys after doing a lot of thinking about it, I am going to take a good hard look at that Spencer, I think it is going to be as close to a good all around boat as I am going to find.

Going to start another thread on it. HERE
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I have surveyed eight 41' C&C's. They were all balsa cored to within 18" of the keel and all suffered from serious core decay below the water line. Four had serious grid issues around the keel. Three had serious bulkhead separations.
This is exactly my concern and I am really glad you posted this feedback because it was enough to convince me the C&C is not what I am looking for in a long term boat.

Just way too much possibility for things to go wrong there.
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Old 23-03-2016, 13:17   #66
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Re: 1980 C&C 40 as a blue water boat?

[QUOTE=BigNickMontana;2079433]This is exactly my concern and I am really glad you posted this feedback because it was enough to convince me the C&C is not what I am looking for in a long term boat.

Just way too much possibility for things to go wrong there.[/QUOT


This thread was about a 40 not a 41..very different boats
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I am really digging the layout of that Cooper, that is a nice boat, and holy crap the price is right, I am going to have to check that one out, I could be very happy with that setup.
That Cooper is quite new, quite cheap, and the interior looks quite nice to me too. Did anyone say anything negative about it? I found the builder, Forbes Cooper with Google, and at least he looks like a dedicated guy. (Biography of Westcoast Custom Yachts' Forbes Cooper)

I don't know anything about the Coopers, but maybe someone else does. If Coopers are solid well built boats, and this individual has no structural problems, I would be interested, especially with that price tag. Anyone, what's the reason behind the low price? Are Coopers just too unknown for a higher price tag? Any information on their blue water capabilities?
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That Cooper is quite new, ...
Well, looks quite new - whatever those launch and build years 1997 and 1984 mean.
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Re: 1980 C&C 40 as a blue water boat?

You never know what's really wrong with ANY boat until you own it.
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You never know what's really wrong with ANY boat until you own it.
Yes. The best guesses are available from a reliable surveyor (recommended), knowledgeable friends (recommended if available) and maybe some light guesses from Google searches too.
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Re: 1980 C&C 40 as a blue water boat?

Coopers were budget boats offering lots of space in their day. Certainly never had a rep anywhere near a C&C but still pretty decent for the wet coast.
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I was in the same place you are now looked at 100 or more boats until I bought my 1979 C&C. My biggest concern was also the spade rudder-turned out to be a non issue as you can see many boats today have spade rudders, the C&C is 1' shorter than the keel. As far as Rod rigging-Personally I am very pleased with it-very strong, takes the weather well, much better than wire rigging. Keel bolts are stainless steel & again are over constructed as is the whole boat. Hull is solid fiberglass 3/4" thick-SOLID. Deck is balsa cored but in good shape. Only problem I had was the windows leaking-re bedded with buytal tape-ok now. Engine is Yanmar 3qm30F-great engine.Lastly C&C is a great boat to sail, cruise, & live aboard, really great light wind boat. I would not hesitate to buy another. Dodger/Bimini readily available. Also C&C has a great owners network for parts & advice.
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Re: 1980 C&C 40 as a blue water boat?

How about Westsails? I have understood that they are considered quite good blue water boats out there.

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Wow a Westsail polar opposite to the C&C
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Re: 1980 C&C 40 as a blue water boat?

Be concerned about a cored hull but don't be put off by it. One of mine is a C&C 34 with a cored hull and there are no problems. Bee on the lookout for high moisture around any thruhulls. If they were put in properly there should be no issue. That being said a friend of mine with a sister ship had to remove a 2 ft X 3ft section of the hull because someone did a bad air conditioner installation and he ended up with a soggy section. He repaired it himself and the boat is awesome now. If you need more info into proper thruhul installation get back to me. The bigger concern as a true Bluewater sailor is that C&Cs tend to be light (and fast) for thier size and as such can be tender but great for putting on sea miles. Also can have some significant weather helm if the rig isn't balanced. Though with a fin keel and spade rudder they turn on a dime.
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