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Old 06-10-2008, 17:04   #226
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Dave,

The boat was nearly new. Put into charter service to pay the first few years of payments, and then it was (is) to be a liveaboard family cruiser for the owner. I had several LONG conversations with the owner, and chartered directly with him - even though it is a TMM boat. Without getting into ALL of the problems we encountered - some design, some typical charter company - there were enough things we didn't like that we decided a cat was not in our future.

2 years ago, I would think that most folks would think this was certainly one of the "better" cats on the market - and certainly representative. Were there things we liked? Yup. But they were heavily outweighed by things WE wanted in a boat. Everyone has their own ideas, likes and dislikes. And many of the things we didn't like, just about every cat exhibits. For instance, we both LOVE to sail - leaning over, taking waves, the whole deal (Mamma is a roller coaster nut - and so is her 79 year old mother). Cats (generalized statement here, I realize), sail like a tennis court. IMO.

Now, I have to tell you. You gave me a bit of a hard time by saying I only spent a week evaluating a boat (actually, 10 days). Wow. How many people here spent a WEEK or more actually on the boat they bought, before buying?
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Old 06-10-2008, 17:10   #227
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,,,,but Gmac, speed records: multi vs mono depend on which direction you sail around the rock. One direction is held by multi's the other is held by mono's, upwind vs downwind.

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If anyone on this board brings their mutli here we will kick it's arse in our mono, while insite of land.
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Old 06-10-2008, 17:41   #228
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195: Mono sailors live longer. Well it FEELS longer.

196: Mono sailors don't need charts - damn plate techtonics means they are always wrong anyway.

197: Mono sailors actually find drying paint quite exciting to watch.

198: Mono sailors don't need a stopwatch for race starts. An accurate calander will do.

199: If captain Cook had been sailing a multihull, those Hawaiians might have starved.

200: If the Spanish Armada had been multihulls, Francis Drake wouldn't have been able to finish his game of bowls.
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Old 06-10-2008, 18:57   #229
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201....We don’t usually like to talk about it guys…. but after a while multi owners seem to develop this MPD problem…..






Coincidence? …I think not!
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Old 06-10-2008, 19:15   #230
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Now, I have to tell you. You gave me a bit of a hard time by saying I only spent a week evaluating a boat (actually, 10 days). Wow. How many people here spent a WEEK or more actually on the boat they bought, before buying?
Hard time!!! must breed 'em soft up there

Anyway, that's a fair evaluation of THAT boat, but not a fair evaluation of the breed.

I sailed on over 30 different Mono's before I purchased my first one, I had decided I didnt want the Roberts design as while it had space it lacked the ability to sail anywhere quiet for the weekend.

I didnt want the Blazer 23 as it had no room below, but sailed like a dream

So I decided eventually on a cold moulded one off that sort of fitted my criteria for a short while.

The same with the boat I am doing now, it has come about from 30 years on the water, going out on countless different vessels and doing large passages to see what works and what doesnt.

I didnt just go out and rent the popular make of the year and base my decision on that one vessel alone.

A Suzuki Jimni and a 5 series BMW are both cars, but they are totally different machines and I wouldnt say I know all about cars because I have driven a Jimni for a week

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Old 06-10-2008, 19:25   #231
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Just maybe a few posters on this thread should start a new topic in the Sailing Forum about racing a mono vs. racing a multi. Or maybe, World speed records multi vs. mono.

Then you can all go slag off the various mono and multi designers and drivers to your hearts content.
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Old 06-10-2008, 19:30   #232
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Just maybe a few posters on this thread should start a new topic in the Sailing Forum about racing a mono vs. racing a multi. Or maybe, World speed records multi vs. mono.

Then you can all go slag off the various mono and multi designers and drivers to your hearts content.
We were having fun here for a while, weren't we.
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202 - Every sailing speed record in the world carrying cargo was set by a mono.
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203: When heeled at 45 degrees the "pucker factor" is considerably lower in a mono.
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I wonder why they went to all the trouble of building the 90 foot AC challenger then, when they could have just grabbed one of these superfast mono's from Aukland harbour?

And you haven't answered my previous question, was Bruce Farr lying or perhaps hallucinating when he said it was the fastest mono on Earth?
The boats we use are undersize for the rules. The AC only is allowed to use big relatively slow ones Even todays version AC boats can be beaten by some as small as 12 or 14ft. It happens here every weekend.

Bruce was quite correct but it just wasn't qualified properly. I think what he probably should have said was that is was the fastest BIG boat in the world, at the time. There were a few big and bigger monos back then and KZ1 would have been the fastest. But sadly not as fast as a winged Cat pumped full of steroids.

FYI- you can try alsorts but you'll never get me saying all multis are faster than all monos purely because they aren't I have a big advantage here 44C, I have both my eyes open

Joli, nice to see someone does realise each has their strong point.

Now at the risk of having to smack my own hand for thread drift I suggest we pop back on topic and if anyone would like to have a crack at changing the mind of someone with both eyes open and be warned, a stubborn prick, that being me they can start another thread. As long as we continue to play nice I'm more than willing to try and convince you of the error of your ways as you can of mine
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203: When heeled at 45 degrees the "pucker factor" is considerably lower in a mono.
Is that an advantage?
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203: When heeled at 45 degrees the "pucker factor" is considerably lower in a mono.
When heeled at 180 degrees, the "dead factor" is considerably lower in a mono.
PS GMAC: Release the "sheep" post!
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Dave,

I hope you have a sense of humor (humour)...

I went to your profile, to see if there were any pix of your boat. Just kind of cracked me up when I saw: "cat man do has not made any friends yet".

Very cool looking boat, btw.
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bugger it why do they lean so bxxxx far.Even the big ones and mines a big one. Should've been a builder!.
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