The NorthEAST Passage Over Siberia Norway to the Pacific

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Check my edit.

I did and I was just correction my own keyboard issue for others to follow my ramble

[TeddyDiver]

Originally Posted by newhaul

teddy yes I do have knowledge on ice formation and freezing temps. I also have some experience with icebreakers

If so anything in response what I said?

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by TeddyDiver

If so anything in response what I said?

what part of my statement about nuclear powered heavy icebreakers operating in the arctic in winter being a bad thing didn't you get .

[TeddyDiver]

Originally Posted by newhaul

what part of my statement about nuclear powered heavy icebreakers operating in the arctic in winter being a bad thing didn't you get .

You claimed breaking ice in winter by any ship diminishes the ice while in reality it's the contrary, allowing faster ice formation. Remember it's the arctic, not a glass of scotch

[john61ct]

Originally Posted by newhaul

On a positive note sea ice is within normal range for this time of year

Do you have a dog in this race somehow?

Google for

Arctic "sea ice"

and pick your credible sources, even military and gov agencies headed by climate deniers

And you will find the facts are opposite to what you claim.

Paid PR co shills?

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by john61ct

Do you have a dog in this race somehow?

Google for

Arctic "sea ice"

and pick your credible sources, even military and gov agencies headed by climate deniers

And you will find the facts are opposite to what you claim.

Paid PR co shills?

John I pick the most credible source .
One that has been keeping accurate records for centuries and not influenced by current politics. The Dmi.
DMI Modelled ice thickness

[TeddyDiver]

Originally Posted by newhaul

John I pick the most credible source .
One that has been keeping accurate records for centuries and not influenced by current politics. The Dmi.
DMI Modelled ice thickness

And as you should find in their site the volume of arctic sea ice has declined constantly, so whats your problem, poor eyesight or what? (not to insult )

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by newhaul

John I pick the most credible source .
One that has been keeping accurate records for centuries and not influenced by current politics. The Dmi.
DMI Modelled ice thickness

The DMI shows ice thickness significantly below the mean.

Meanwhile:

Though the sun hasn’t shone on the central Arctic for more than four months, the region is currently gripped by historic, record-breaking warmth. On Sunday, the temperature at the North Pole rose to about the melting point, and parts of the Arctic were more than 50 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than normal.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...arctic/554303/

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by jackdale

The DMI shows ice thickness significantly below the mean.

Meanwhile:



https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...arctic/554303/

the Atlantic ? Come on jack at least use a credible source. But the picture from last august was a nice touch.
Short periods of 50 deg above normal. Below 0 is still below 0
Have any of you actually looked at things like the maunder minimum colder periods. Temperature reconstruction the arctic and Alaska were slightly above normal whereas everywhere else was well below normal just like we are seeing now across north America and a large portion of Europe and Asia. Lets see how the melt doesn't happen .
But I looked today and yes there is a slight leveling off of sea ice volume. In the last few days.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by newhaul

the Atlantic ? Come on jack at least use a credible source. But the picture from last august was a nice touch.
Short periods of 50 deg above normal. Below 0 is still below 0
Have any of you actually looked at things like the maunder minimum colder periods. Temperature reconstruction the arctic and Alaska were slightly above normal whereas everywhere else was well below normal just like we are seeing now across north America and a large portion of Europe and Asia. Lets see how the melt doesn't happen .
But I looked today and yes there is a slight leveling off of sea ice volume. In the last few days.

The Atlantic is a hell of a lot more credible than the Daily Caller.

DMI for February 28, which you posted, shows a distinct decline.

The Maunder Minimum occurred in the middle of the Little Ice Age; it could not have caused the LIA.

As well, some science for you:

We conclude that winters in which the Thames froze are not at all good indicators of the hemispheric or global mean temperatures, although well-correlated with the lowest temperatures in the local observational record, the CET. The often-quoted result that they were enhanced during the solar Maunder minimum is false.

https://academic.oup.com/astrogeo/ar...2/2.17/3074082

[jackdale]

Arctic sea ice retreat from February 20 to February 25, 2018



http://seaice.de/Wacky_20180225.gif

[jimbunyard]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Arctic sea ice retreat from February 20 to February 25, 2018



http://seaice.de/Wacky_20180225.gif

...and that's with no sun yet...

https://worldview.earthdata.nasa.gov...185.0993000646

[jackdale]

For those who wish to check out atmospheric temperatures, surface sea temperatures, sea ice conditions check out:

Climate Reanalyzer

It shows monthly data and is a bit behind right now. But the trends are pretty obvious.

Here is December 31, 2017. The warm Arctic / Siberia and cold North America are astounding.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by jackdale

For those who wish to check out atmospheric temperatures, surface sea temperatures, sea ice conditions check out:

Climate Reanalyzer

It shows monthly data and is a bit behind right now. But the trends are pretty obvious.

Here is December 31, 2017. The warm Arctic / Siberia and cold North America are astounding.

nice of you to post that anomaly chart .
Here is the same but actual temps for comparison

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by newhaul

nice of you to post that anomaly chart .
Here is the same but actual temps for comparison

Nice of you to show the actual temperatures.

Anomalies are the standard used to show how temperatures vary from the mean. Even my local TV meteorologists compare the daily temperature to the average.

What is happening is not normal.