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Old 15-05-2018, 12:17   #1096
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As to your video by potholer. He was openly challenged to a public debate by an actual climatologist Dr bell and as of today ( the challenge was put forth 4 years ago ) he has declined. This says so much about his motives.
Please do not tell us us that your "Dr bell" is Larry Bell, because he is not an "actual climatologist" by any definition. He is an architect.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/#5e7af4b8301f
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Old 15-05-2018, 12:39   #1097
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Please do not tell us us that your "Dr bell" is Larry Bell, because he is not an "actual climatologist" by any definition. He is an architect.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/#5e7af4b8301f
please read my last post I had an error with my arthritic thumbs it is Dr Tim ball as I already apologised for my error.
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please read my last post I had an error with my arthritic thumbs it is Dr Tim ball as I already apologised for my error.
Got it. BTW This Google search ""peter hadfield" debate "tim Ball"" only reveals one person who challenged Peter Hadfield to a debate.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Steven..._change_denial


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By the way, Tim Ball is hardly a climate science expert, and this has been stated in a court of law.

After the Calgary Herald published an op-ed by Ball on April 19, 2006, whom the newspaper identified as the first climatology PhD in Canada and a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg for 28 years, they published a letter on April 23, 2006 from Dr. Dan Johnson, a professor at the University of Lethbridge, who pointed out that neither of those descriptions is true; that Dr. Ball's credentials were being seriously overstated. Ball later threatened Johnson and the Herald and ultimately sued for defamation.

In their Statement of Defense filed in Court, the Calgary Herald submitted the following:

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...that the Plaintiff (Ball) never held a reputation in the scientific community as a noted climatologist and authority on global warming....

"The Plaintiff has never published any research in any peer-reviewed scientific journal which addressed the topic of human contributions to greenhouse gas emissions and global warming;

"The Plaintiff has published no papers on climatology in academically recognized peer-reviewed scientific journals since his retirement as a Professor in 1996;

"The Plaintiff's credentials and credibility as an expert on the issue of global warming have been repeatedly disparaged in the media; and

"The Plaintiff is viewed as a paid promoter of the agenda of the oil and gas industry rather than as a practicing scientist."
Source: The Calgary Herald, Statement of Defense – paragraph 50, Dr Tim Ball v The Calgary Herald, In the Court of the Queen’s Bench of Alberta Judicial District of Calgary, Dec 7, 2006
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Got it. BTW This Google search ""peter hadfield" debate "tim Ball"" only reveals one person who challenged Peter Hadfield to a debate.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Steven..._change_denial
"Tim Ball is hardly a climate science expert"

Are all your streets one way?

Neither is potholer54. He's a journalist, iirc. His only notable attribute seems to be his overly pompous and demeaning accent.
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Got it. BTW This Google search ""peter hadfield" debate "tim Ball"" only reveals one person who challenged Peter Hadfield to a debate.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Steven..._change_denial
really louder with Crowder that's your go to?
Tim ball wins against your god Michael Mann and the ipcc
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/02/...the-backstory/
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really louder with Crowder that's your go to?
No I am searching for something that is evidence for your debate between Tim Ball and Peter Hadfield.

You have not provided a link to your assertion.
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No I am searching for something that is evidence for your debate between Tim Ball and Peter Hadfield.

You have not provided a link to your assertion.
I stated I would find the relevant video ( and it was an exchange in an interview )
it will take me a few hours to find it.
Btw it appears that sea ice volumes are flat lined and not dropping .
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Tim ball wins against your god Michael Mann and the ipcc
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/02/...the-backstory/
A Pyrrhic victory at best:

[60] Further, despite Dr. Ballís history as an academic and a scientist, the Article is rife with errors and inaccuracies, which suggests a lack of attention to detail on Dr. Ballís part, if not an indifference to the truth. For example:
a) He purports to cite a paper from Michigan State University stating that most college students do not understand the scientific basis of the carbon cycle, when in fact, he was referring to an online article written by a professor of education who was describing a study published in the science journal BioScience;
b) He suggests that Dr. Weaver has consistently refused to debate the climate change issue, an allegation not borne out in the evidence;
c) When describing his presentation at UVIC, he alleges that Dr. Weaverís students showed up to disrupt the presentation, which again, was not established on the evidence, and Dr. Ball had no basis for making that allegation in the Article; and
d) He alleges that Dr. Weaver had announced his intention to withdraw from the next IPCC and had advocated for the resignation of the IPCC chairman. Dr. Ball said he took this information from a newspaper article, the veracity of which he did not confirm, and which was disputed by Dr. Weaver.

[61] While each of these errors, looked at individually, may seem quite minor, collectively, they illustrate that Dr. Ballís approach to gathering facts in support of his opinion or thesis is less than rigorous.

[62] Dr. Ball is also less than forthright in the Article about his interaction with Dr. Weaver. He states that he met with Dr. Weaver in his office at Dr. Weaverís invitation and he recounts a rather odd conversation about whether he was recording their conversation. He fails to disclose however, that this meeting occurred in 1997, over thirteen years prior to the date on which he wrote the Article. I note that Dr. Weaver denies Dr. Ballís version of that conversation. Dr. Ball also fails to disclose the subsequent email exchange, referred to above, at para. 12, in which the two men engaged in a lengthy debate.

[63] While Dr. Ball presents his central thesis that climate science has been corrupted by politics, the Article offers little in the way of support for that thesis, apart from vague references to missing or falsified data and political manipulation, unsubstantiated and erroneous references to Dr. Weaver as referred to above, and a recommendation that people read a 45-year-old text on climate science written by Professor Hubert Lamb.

[64] Overall, even as an opinion piece, the Article presents as poorly written and it provides little in the way of credible support for Dr. Ballís thesis.

The judge called diplomatically called Tim Ball a liar.
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I stated I would find the relevant video ( and it was an exchange in an interview )
it will take me a few hours to find it.
Btw it appears that sea ice volumes are flat lined and not dropping .
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Average Arctic sea ice volume in April 2018 was 22,250 km3. This value is the second lowest on record tied with 2016 and about 1500 km3 above the previous April record that was set in 2017 with 22,600 km3 . Ice volume was 32% below the maximum in 1979 and 19% below the mean value for 1979-2017. April 2018 ice volume sits right on the long term trend line.


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...Btw it appears that sea ice volumes are flat lined and not dropping .
Just for the record, what do you think the minimum ice volume will be next Aug/Sept?
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jack the same old tired graphs?
Where is your data showing the actual last month or even the last 3 months?
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Just for the record, what do you think the minimum ice volume will be next Aug/Sept?
hard to say there are so many variables ( ice breakers in the region)
I am going to forecast a moderate melt season and we should see a minimum this summer in the general neighborhood between 7 and 8 thousand km3 at the end of the melt season .

So lets see I have forecast a drop in global temp to the 0 point of the 81 to 2010 average,
And now I say 7.5 k km3 ice volume
Lets see how it plays out.
And just for the record a 75% or higher sun spotless year as well .
Ice area is to variable to say with any degree of certainty.
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Average Arctic sea ice volume in April 2018 was 22,250 km3. This value is the second lowest on record tied with 2016 and about 1500 km3 above the previous April record that was set in 2017 with 22,600 km3 . Ice volume was 32% below the maximum in 1979 and 19% below the mean value for 1979-2017. April 2018 ice volume sits right on the long term trend line.


I'm assuming that "on record" & "long term" refers to data only as far back as 1979, as do all the other cited stats. Means nothing until & unless you can compare over a longer time period. What was the volume of ice during the MWP?
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"Tim Ball is hardly a climate science expert"

Are all your streets one way?

Neither is potholer54. He's a journalist, iirc. His only notable attribute seems to be his overly pompous and demeaning accent.
I have never claimed that potholer54 is a climate scientist. I seldom quote Peter Hadfield.

That being said here is an interesting "debate" between two non-climate scientists Hadfield and Ben Davidson of Suspicious Observers.

https://youtu.be/ttmQbCeSQAg

So it seems that Hadfield is prepared to debate.

BTW That is his accent; he is English.
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Average Arctic sea ice volume in April 2018 was 22,250 km3. This value is the second lowest on record tied with 2016 and about 1500 km3 above the previous April record that was set in 2017 with 22,600 km3 . Ice volume was 32% below the maximum in 1979 and 19% below the mean value for 1979-2017. April 2018 ice volume sits right on the long term trend line.


I'm assuming that "on record" & "long term" refers to data only as far back as 1979, as do all the other cited stats. Means nothing until & unless you can compare over a longer time period. What was the volume of ice during the MWP?

Should I post the record back to 1953. Do you have anything longer?

Please tell me what the ice volume was during the MWP. Or are you just JAQing off. (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions)
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