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Old 11-05-2018, 19:22   #1021
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Re: Northwest Passage - 2018

Conditions in the Bering Sea



In the coastal communities near the Bering Strait, a winter unlike the rest
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that's barrow not the nwp and looks frozen to me as far as the horizon and the cloud deck
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partially due to switching from positive to negative PDO
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partially due to switching from positive to negative PDO
What is the connection between the PDO and temperature?

Notice a pattern?

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Here's the picture you linked to
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an excerpt from the article explaining the lack of sea ice

warmer water recently traveled into the Bering Sea from the South, driven by wind patterns that cause North Pacific waters to heat up strongly
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Switching from pos to neg PDO
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What is the connection between the PDO and temperature?

Notice a pattern?

there ya go again off on a tangent concerning the arctic. But I do notice it takes from 1900 to now to have a .6℃ temperature rise. And looks like a sudden drop in the last 12 months
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And looks like a sudden drop in the last 12 months
Duh! La Nina after a strong El Nino (to which you alluded earlier)
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Duh! La Nina after a strong El Nino (to which you alluded earlier)
after one of the strongest El Nino on record.
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Arctic Heat Surges Again, and Studies Are Finding Climate Change Connections | Inside Climate News

A new study, published in the journal Weather and Climate Extremes, found that unusual heat that hit the Arctic in 2016 could not have happened without the increases in greenhouse gas emissions since the Industrial Revolution, which has set off a feedback loop of rising temperatures and dwindling sea ice.

The study's authors, scientists from NOAA and the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences, used a climate model that could generate heat anomalies based on the greenhouse gas levels found in the late 1800s. They found that the kind of extreme heat that happened in 2016 wasn't possible in the 1800s model.

"While sea ice melts due to Arctic warming, ice loss itself can cause additional warming near the surface and be responsible for most of the Arctic amplification (a phenomena used to characterize the strong Arctic warming compared to lower latitudes)," lead author Lantao Sun said in an email. "The physics behind this is that sea ice acts as a barrier for the heat transport from the ocean to the atmosphere."

The Danger in Sea Ice Loss

Stroeve has also been studying what lessons can be gleaned from the 2016 winter. In a paper that has been accepted but not yet published in The Cryosphere, Stroeve writes about a new chapter in sea ice history.

In the past, winter heat waves didn't have much of an impact on sea ice. That's because even though the temperature would rise higher than normal, it was still comfortably below freezing most of the time. That was important, because the winter is when the sea ice rebounds after the summer melt. Not anymore.

"The warming we're starting to see in winter is enough now to impact ice growth in the winter," she said. As temperatures spiked throughout the winter of 2016-2017, Stroeve found that the growth in ice thickness over the Arctic Ocean was reduced by 5 inches.

Stroeve hasn't yet analyzed the winter of 2017-2018, but she expects the losses to have continued. "This year definitely had the least amount of freezing degree days,"—an equation that looks at the number of days below freezing and how far below freezing they were. "It was probably the warmest winter we've seen," she said.

The temperature measurements at Cape Morris Jesup, the northernmost point of mainland Greenland, tells that story. In the month of February, since 1981, it has been rare for hourly air temperatures to spike above freezing. In 1997 it happened once. In 2011 it happened five times, and in 2017 it happened seven times. This year, it happened 59 times.

"As Arctic sea ice loss continues, we will see stronger warming in the Arctic," Sun said. By the middle of the century, Sun and his co-authors found that when these heat waves happen, the size of the anomaly will likely be double what was seen in 2016. "In other words, the future Arctic surface temperature (e.g. how much warming we will get) is closely tie to how much sea ice melts," he said.

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https://e360.yale.edu/features/alien...g-arctic-ocean
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Re: Northwest Passage - 2018

Two important Question for the gentlemen participating in this thread:
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Does anyone besides the poster of endless Graphs and Charts actually look at them and give them any more credence than a photo showing Trump handing Putin $100 Bills?

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Can a Hunter make it Through the Northwest Passage?
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Two important Question for the gentlemen participating in this thread:
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Does anyone besides the poster of endless Graphs and Charts actually look at them and give them any more credence than a photo showing Trump handing Putin $100 Bills?

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Can a Hunter make it Through the Northwest Passage?
short answer is yes, and it depends
Is the ship the hunter is on adequately ice hardend and is it escorted by an icebreaker?
If you can answer yes to my questions then my answers concerning a hunter would be yes most likely.
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There is no ice left in the northwest passage, so an ice reinforced hull is no longer a requirement
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Two important Question for the gentlemen participating in this thread:
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Does anyone besides the poster of endless Graphs and Charts actually look at them and give them any more credence than a photo showing Trump handing Putin $100 Bills?

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Can a Hunter make it Through the Northwest Passage?
HEY!! When'd you get out? Early parole or they gonna make you do supervised probation this time??

I hope you're all caught up on all the fun we've been having. It's all your doing actually. You see, you kept posting about the fake data, i.e. the adjustments that were made to the land-based temp data that resulted in all the numbers going up. Well, we were then told that this is all a "fake meme," maybe perpetrated by Sen. Inhofe or sumthin' . . . you know, like a vast right-wing conspiracy . . . and that the "science" said so, so it must be true. Well, it turns out that not ALL the science says so, but there are a couple of former NASA big shot scientists who actually say the data adjustments are in fact bogus! Can you believe there is actually some DISAGREEMENT amongst climate scientists?! Whodathunk??

But then I read an article that said that one of these contrarian scientists belongs to some weird religious cult that believes some crazy stuff. You know, like how the earth has the ability to self-rejuvenate and what-not . . . really out there kinda beliefs and all. So now the adjusted data has been deemed perfectly legit and we're not allowed to talk about it anymore. That means, of course, that you've been "proven" wrong again, and you therefore need to go back to the penalty box.

No pics of the Trump payoffs to Putin. He always has his lawyers do that sorta thing.

The Hunter would make it! But only if it had the correct anchor onboard, and the reefer and batteries were closely monitored to be operating at absolute peak efficiency.
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