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Old 08-05-2018, 12:08   #856
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In other words, MMGW is yet another attempt at realizing the long-held leftist/progressive/socialist dream of wealth redistribution. As MarkPierce recently pointed out, most of us first-worlders can afford it; much of the developing world cannot. Not that the CC crusade is not a highly personal movement hiding behind the facade of altruism or anything . . . .
Conspiracy ideation at its best.
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And volume seems to be flatlined and not melting .
Your modelled volume is at least 1 SD below the mean (not the median).
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Your modelled volume is at least 1 SD below the mean (not the median).
what does that have to do with the fact that sea ice volume is currently holding a steady volume and not melting?
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Old 08-05-2018, 12:44   #859
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Quote mined and out of context. You have been suckered - as usual. Go read the original interview - all of it.
I did read the interview. I wrote my comment about and for the record I wrote it, it is not a quote.
So not as you say quote mined.
Also for the record I have read all 813 pages of the ar5 report. As well as all of the previous clear back to the screwup beginning Kyoto . P
What say you.?
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I did read the interview. I wrote my comment about and for the record I wrote it, it is not a quote.
So not as you say quote mined.
Also for the record I have read all 813 pages of the ar5 report. As well as all of the previous clear back to the screwup beginning Kyoto . P
What say you.?
I say you are stretching the truth.

Had you read the entire interview you would realize that the "wealth redistribution" assertion attributed to the interviewee is based on an out of context and quote mined statement. I have read the interview, both on Google translation and the translation by Benny Peiser of GWPF.


The last chapter of AR5 ends on page 1308. You did not even get to the end of my favourite, chapter 9.
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Now here is the truth about it all
https://youtu.be/NjlC02NsIt0
Yes indeedy



:32

"yeah you're full of ****, sit down".

1:31

"for those of you that don't know, Antarctica is on a mountaintop, OK"

2:38

"in the cosmos of tiime, it's not a fart in the wind"

2:43

"in the 13.8 billion years that we've been on this miserable planet" (the earth is about 4.5 billion years old)

2:48

"and as I told Joe Rogan (Joseph James Rogan (born August 11, 1967) is an American stand-up comedian, martial arts color commentator and podcast host. A fan of comedy since his youth, Rogan began a career in stand-up in August 1988 in the Boston area, developing a blue comedy act. He moved to New York City two years later.)

2:51

"and as he said, in his infinite wisdom...he said then, that in 25,000 years it's most likely, aaa, not gonna be a problem..."

3:14

"the best scenario, vis a vis, global warming is about 10 feet raising water over the next 40 50 years...that means the southern part of the US is gone, England is gone, most of Europe is gone, and I can go, aaa, most of Central America is gone..."

4:00

"...if global warming is for real, and water rises 10 feet, this investment you made is ****-all. Not one single investment prospectus written since--two thousand-eh-this century, has alluded to--global warming--not one mo..er-fu...er!

And over and over and over...for almost all of 6 minutes.

So you're presenting this as reality? I'll give Pena the benefit of the doubt and assume that he actually knows about how banks and governments 'work' together in establishing the 'value' of money, but if you think he's innocent of deliberately misrepresenting the difference in 'assets' as they relate to banks or the bank's clients (hint; they're polar opposites), then I've got some prime deep oceanfront property in Wyoming I'm sure you'll be interested in...the price (not to mention the view) is amazing...
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personal carbon footprint has everything to do with it.
As to your posts opinions you are correct the opinions you placed have nothing to do with the actual facts. All they are inverter for is for misdirection and avoidance of the actual question posed.
Btw its not man that controls the climate it is the sun.
Why?

Can you actually enunciate what you think are opinions versus whatever you feel are facts? Or should we accept your word as delivered proof that 'anything' you're talking about is 'factual'?

Are you speaking English? Do you understand that words have meanings that enable people to communicate with each other, and that if you allocate your own personal meanings to words (without informing others that you are doing so, or at least telling us what your revised meaning is) there can be no communication? Or that no matter how many times, or how loud, you make an untrue statement, that statement remains untrue?
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Thwaites Glacier: Biggest ever Antarctic field campaign | BBC

UK and US scientists will lead a five-year effort to examine the stability of the mighty Thwaites Glacier. This ice stream in the west of the continent is comparable in size to Britain. It is melting and is currently in rapid retreat, accounting for around 4% of global sea-level rise - an amount that has doubled since the mid-1990s. Researchers want to know if Thwaites could collapse.

Thwaites is out of balance. It has speeded up and is currently flowing at over 4km per year. It is also thinning at a rate of almost 40cm a year. "When we look at the historical satellite record we can see that this thinning started after 2000, spreading inland at a rate of 10-12km/year at its fastest," explained Dr Anna Hogg from Leeds University.

"So on Thwaites Glacier, the increase in ice speed has coincided with a period of rapid ice thinning, and grounding line retreat, which suggests that the observed changes may have been caused by warm ocean water reaching the glacier and accelerating ice melt."



Timelapse satellite images of Thwaites Glacier melting - BBC News
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Thwaites Glacier: Biggest ever Antarctic field campaign | BBC

UK and US scientists will lead a five-year effort to examine the stability of the mighty Thwaites Glacier. This ice stream in the west of the continent is comparable in size to Britain. It is melting and is currently in rapid retreat, accounting for around 4% of global sea-level rise - an amount that has doubled since the mid-1990s. Researchers want to know if Thwaites could collapse.

Thwaites is out of balance. It has speeded up and is currently flowing at over 4km per year. It is also thinning at a rate of almost 40cm a year. "When we look at the historical satellite record we can see that this thinning started after 2000, spreading inland at a rate of 10-12km/year at its fastest," explained Dr Anna Hogg from Leeds University.

"So on Thwaites Glacier, the increase in ice speed has coincided with a period of rapid ice thinning, and grounding line retreat, which suggests that the observed changes may have been caused by warm ocean water reaching the glacier and accelerating ice melt."



Timelapse satellite images of Thwaites Glacier melting - BBC News
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Southern Ocean cooling in a warming world

Research suggests Antarctica and the Southern Ocean may be experiencing a period of cooling before warming takes over, thanks to the ozone hole.

Well, well, well. Lookee here.

Two pro AGW articles declaring the polar opposite (pardon the pun).

At least one must be BS, right?

Which one is it?

Or maybe it has something to do with West Antarctica sitting on top of a "geological active" region.

Or maybe it's the "missing heat" from the non-existent "pause" swallowed up and transported to sub 700 metre oceanic depths?
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So how's it looking for a transit this year? Anybody lined up?

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Well, well, well. Lookee here.

Two pro AGW articles declaring the polar opposite (pardon the pun).

At least one must be BS, right?

Which one is it?

Or maybe it has something to do with West Antarctica sitting on top of a "geological active" region.

Or maybe it's the "missing heat" from the non-existent "pause" swallowed up and transported to sub 700 metre oceanic depths?
Perhaps . . . maybe . . . might . . . doesn't seem to equate to the level of certainty over the health hazards of tobacco, for e.g., that the advocates of CC like to analogize to. Wait, wasn't that the level of scientific certainty which led to efforts to tax tobacco products out of existence??

If only . . . .
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So how's it looking for a transit this year? Anybody lined up?

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yes there are people that want to transit but just waiting for it to start thawing to figure out the logistics and time frame available . Till then I will keep them on their toes.
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Why?

Can you actually enunciate what you think are opinions versus whatever you feel are facts? Or should we accept your word as delivered proof that 'anything' you're talking about is 'factual'?

Are you speaking English? Do you understand that words have meanings that enable people to communicate with each other, and that if you allocate your own personal meanings to words (without informing others that you are doing so, or at least telling us what your revised meaning is) there can be no communication? Or that no matter how many times, or how loud, you make an untrue statement, that statement remains untrue?
A little testy, my friend. At some point you may want to ask yourself why contrary opinions offend you so. Besides, the side-debate between Newhaul & Jack has produced some pretty enlightening information about the actual science. That's usually the way civil debate tends to work.
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Why?

Can you actually enunciate what you think are opinions versus whatever you feel are facts? Or should we accept your word as delivered proof that 'anything' you're talking about is 'factual'?

Are you speaking English? Do you understand that words have meanings that enable people to communicate with each other, and that if you allocate your own personal meanings to words (without informing others that you are doing so, or at least telling us what your revised meaning is) there can be no communication? Or that no matter how many times, or how loud, you make an untrue statement, that statement remains untrue?
if everyone had my carbon footprint there wound be approx 10 billion tons of co2 human emitted per year and then you MMGWC would not have anything to whine about.
As to your posts opinions .
You are the one that injected American politics. And that is 99.9% based on personal opinions.
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if everyone had my carbon footprint there wound be approx 10 billion tons of co2 human emitted per year and then you MMGWC would not have anything to whine about.
That is still over 1,000 times more CO2 emitted when the carbon cycle was in balance.
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