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Old 02-05-2018, 23:31   #796
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Re: Northwest Passage - 2018

Well the weather has changed, just seen the temperature for Fort Ross has risen by 10'c so Spring is on the way for the Arctic, now its only -9'c.

Interesting program on the BBC last night saying that during the last ice age 30,000 years ago there was very little snow about and lots of northern Europe was actually grass land during the summers. The reason they gave was that so much water was locked up in ice that the amount left was very small so the climate was quite dry with clear skies, ideal growing conditions for grasses to support woolly manmouths.

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Sea levels rising rapidly, new satellite research shows | Deccan Chronicle

At the current rate, the world's oceans on average will be at least 2 feet (61 centimeters) higher by the end of the century compared to today, according to a study published in Proceedings of the National Academies of Sciences.

"It's a big deal" because the projected sea level rise is a conservative estimate and it is likely to be higher, said lead author Steve Nerem of the University of Colorado.

Of the 3 inches (7.5 centimeters) of sea level rise in the past quarter century, about 55 percent is from warmer water expanding, and the rest is from melting ice. But the process is accelerating, and more than three-quarters of that acceleration since 1993 is due to melting ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica, the study shows.
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The Solarboat Icade A SOLAR PROPULSION PROTOTYPE

Anne Quéméré will attempt to navigate the North West Passage in a vessel covered in solar-panel modules developed by the Swiss research group CSEM.

She will travel around 3,000 kilometres between the Canadian villages of Tuktoyaktuk and Pond Inlet in the 20-foot Solarboat Icade.

She plans to leave the end of June, and complete the voyage before the end of September.



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Re: Northwest Passage - 2018

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/holocene/pu...tetalGRL05.pdf
Just a little light reading
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Hint - check the authors. especially the last one.

If you bother to do the light reading you will discover that it does not dismiss anthropogenic climate change. In fact it clearly accepts ACC.
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Hint - check the authors. especially the last one.

If you bother to do the light reading you will discover that it does not dismiss anthropogenic climate change. In fact it clearly accepts ACC.
obviously you didn't read the paper.
It shows that the temperatures are cyclic in nature.
Btw I got it direct from one of Mann's own reports before he was hiding data to appease the ipcc
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obviously you didn't read the paper.
It shows that the temperatures are cyclic in nature.
Btw I got it direct from one of Mann's own reports before he was hiding data to appease the ipcc
Ding ding.....Ding.
Someone needs to go to confession for the religious heresy
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A signature of persistent natural thermohaline circulation cycles in observed climate
Jeff R. Knight,
Robert J. Allan,
Chris K. Folland,
Michael Vellinga,
and Michael E. Mann

published 25 October 2005

..."The quasi-periodic nature of the model’s AMO suggests that in the absence of external forcings at least, there is some predictability of the THC, AMO and global and Northern Hemisphere mean temperatures for several decades into the future. We utilise this to forecast decreasing THC strength in the next few decades. This natural reduction would accelerate anticipated anthropogenic THC weakening, and the associated AMO change would partially offset expected Northern Hemisphere warming. This effect needs to be taken into account in producing more realistic predictions of future climate change."

So the 'models' are only good when they (supposedly) support your conclusions?


In November 2009, hackers obtained a large number of emails exchanged among researchers at the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia and with other scientists, including Mann. The release of their correspondence on the Internet sparked the Climatic Research Unit email controversy, commonly known as 'Climategate',[36][37] in which extracts from emails were publicized to raise accusations against the scientists. A series of investigations cleared the scientists of wrongdoing. Detailed analysis by the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) found that the critics made unsupported accusations of falsification and manipulation or destruction of data and were commonly mistaken about the scientific issues.[38][39]

Mann was specifically cleared by several inquiries. Pennsylvania State University (PSU) commissioned two reviews related to the emails and his research, which reported in February and July 2010. They cleared Mann of misconduct, stating there was no substance to the allegations, but criticized him for sharing unpublished manuscripts with third parties.[40][41]

The EPA gave detailed consideration to petitions with allegations against Mann from lobbyists including the Southeastern Legal Foundation, Peabody Energy, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, and the Ohio Coal Association: the EPA found their claims were not supported by the evidence.[38][42]

At the request of Senator Jim Inhofe, who has called the science of man-made climate change a hoax, the Inspector General of the United States Department of Commerce investigated the emails in relation to NOAA, and concluded that there was no evidence of inappropriate manipulation of data.[39][43] The Office of the Inspector General (OIG) of the National Science Foundation also carried out a detailed investigation, which it closed on August 15, 2011. It agreed with the conclusions of the university inquiries, and exonerated Mann of charges of scientific misconduct.[39][44][45]


As is par for the course, it is abundantly clear where the misrepresentation comes from...
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A signature of persistent natural thermohaline circulation cycles in observed climate
Jeff R. Knight,
Robert J. Allan,
Chris K. Folland,
Michael Vellinga,
and Michael E. Mann

published 25 October 2005

..."The quasi-periodic nature of the model’s AMO suggests that in the absence of external forcings at least, there is some predictability of the THC, AMO and global and Northern Hemisphere mean temperatures for several decades into the future. We utilise this to forecast decreasing THC strength in the next few decades. This natural reduction would accelerate anticipated anthropogenic THC weakening, and the associated AMO change would partially offset expected Northern Hemisphere warming. This effect needs to be taken into account in producing more realistic predictions of future climate change."

So the 'models' are only good when they (supposedly) support your conclusions?


In November 2009, hackers obtained a large number of emails exchanged among researchers at the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia and with other scientists, including Mann. The release of their correspondence on the Internet sparked the Climatic Research Unit email controversy, commonly known as 'Climategate',[36][37] in which extracts from emails were publicized to raise accusations against the scientists. A series of investigations cleared the scientists of wrongdoing. Detailed analysis by the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) found that the critics made unsupported accusations of falsification and manipulation or destruction of data and were commonly mistaken about the scientific issues.[38][39]

Mann was specifically cleared by several inquiries. Pennsylvania State University (PSU) commissioned two reviews related to the emails and his research, which reported in February and July 2010. They cleared Mann of misconduct, stating there was no substance to the allegations, but criticized him for sharing unpublished manuscripts with third parties.[40][41]

The EPA gave detailed consideration to petitions with allegations against Mann from lobbyists including the Southeastern Legal Foundation, Peabody Energy, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, and the Ohio Coal Association: the EPA found their claims were not supported by the evidence.[38][42]

At the request of Senator Jim Inhofe, who has called the science of man-made climate change a hoax, the Inspector General of the United States Department of Commerce investigated the emails in relation to NOAA, and concluded that there was no evidence of inappropriate manipulation of data.[39][43] The Office of the Inspector General (OIG) of the National Science Foundation also carried out a detailed investigation, which it closed on August 15, 2011. It agreed with the conclusions of the university inquiries, and exonerated Mann of charges of scientific misconduct.[39][44][45]


As is par for the course, it is abundantly clear where the misrepresentation comes from...
who misrepresented anything ?

A question what does all of the bs about climategate have to do with the report I linked to ? Nothing nada zilch.
Lastly I like the cherry pick out of context excerpt from the report by mann.
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"...before he was hiding data to appease the ipcc."

"Ding ding.....Ding.
Someone needs to go to confession for the religious heresy."
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obviously you didn't read the paper.
It shows that the temperatures are cyclic in nature.
Btw I got it direct from one of Mann's own reports before he was hiding data to appease the ipcc
It shows that natural cycles are present, which no climate scientist denies; but overwhelmed by anthropogenic forces. Read the the abstract and the last paragraph, at the very least.
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It shows that natural cycles are present, which no climate scientist denies; but overwhelmed by anthropogenic forces. Read the the abstract and the last paragraph, at the very least.
I read the entire report jack did you ? Or did you just get the appetizer and skip to the lemon cake ?
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I read the entire report jack did you ? Or did you just get the appetizer and skip to the lemon cake ?
I read the article. You misread the article.
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This past week temperatures over the Arctic Ocean were unusually high for this time of year, and they are expected to continue to be very high for the next 10 days.


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This past week temperatures over the Arctic Ocean were unusually high for this time of year, and they are expected to continue to be very high for the next 10 days.


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yes climate reanalizer always is well above all the rest of the models.
Even with that in mind -10℃ or colder actual is still well below the freezing point.
Many areas are well below -30℃ .
Why does every MMGW believer only post the anomalous readings and not the actual for comparison.
Lets see if it was normal it would be-20℃ instead of -10℃ . Still well below any possible melting of anything in the arctic.
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