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Old 26-04-2018, 19:47   #676
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Re: Northwest Passage - 2018

Jack that article was written many years ago and published here https://theconversation.com/us

there are however some beautification pictures in the article
Several including the cover picture taken in July 4 2010.
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Re: Northwest Passage - 2018

Btw sea ice volumes are still gaining
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Btw sea ice volumes are still gaining
Nope



Starting to declince - right on schedule



DMI ice thickness record

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Jack that article was written many years ago and published here https://theconversation.com/us

there are however some beautification pictures in the article
Several including the cover picture taken in July 4 2010.
Read the date of the by-line - right below the article title.

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April 26, 2018 6.38am EDT
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Starting to declince - right on schedule



DMI ice thickness record

actually jack there is a slight upswing in volume in the last 3 or 4 days. And nice cherry pick of 2003 btw considerably above 2016, 2017 and even above 2015 . It's also above several other years in the recent past
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Read the date of the by-line - right below the article title.
yes jack that is today's date likely the date and time you looked at the article. Or possibly when they did a polish and rerelease of it . I did find a year date of 2016 buried in the article where is the peer review data or is it just like I suspect another alarmist fluff piece.
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actually jack there is a slight upswing in volume in the last 3 or 4 days. And nice cherry pick of 2003 btw considerably above 2016, 2017 and even above 2015 . It's also above several other years in the recent past
And the long term trend is ...?
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And the long term trend is ...?
starting to regrow volumes just like it should considering climates are cyclic and natural and not man controlled.
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yes jack that is today's date likely the date and time you looked at the article. Or possibly when they did a polish and rerelease of it . I did find a year date of 2016 buried in the article where is the peer review data or is it just like I suspect another alarmist fluff piece.
If it was written in 2010 the author was pretty prescient.

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This is not a journal article.

From source code of the article

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<time datetime="2018-04-26T10:38:14Z" itemprop="datePublished" content="2018-04-26T10:38:14Z">April 26, 2018 6.38am EDT</time>
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starting to regrow volumes just like it should considering climates are cyclic and natural and not man controlled.
wrong.
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wrong.
explain your assumption that I am wrong in my observations of the sea ice volumes.
The current volume is higher than 7 of the last 8 years.
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And the long term trend is ...?
Depends on how you define "long term," and how myopically focused you are on only the petroleum era. We've already seen one graph showing Arctic sea ice at its greatest extent during the LIA, and at its next greatest extent during modern times, i.e. approx. the late 1950's. Is 10,000 years sufficiently long enough to constitute a 'long term trend'? I keep reading that the past 4 decades have seen 'dramatic' losses, but no comparison data on historical rates of decline (and gain) to justify that description. Regardless, these recent losses still put the total extent well above where it was during the MWP. So based on what has thus far been presented about the historical record, we arguably do not yet know if recent events even constitute any sort of a trend, let alone a 'long term' one.

But recently retreating ice also makes sense according to the climate scientists who believe we've been in a warming trend the past 200 years -- since the end of the LIA approx. -- that is mostly attributable to natural forces. I know this from reading their 'dossiers' on desmogblog.com (thanks Reef). Many other scientists theorize differently, of course, but I'm pretty confident all of them have properly taken the Milakovitch cycles into account.
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explain your assumption that I am wrong in my observations of the sea ice volumes.
The current volume is higher than 7 of the last 8 years.
Please show me the statistics. That is not so on the graph from DMI.
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A great graphic showing natural and anthropogenic influence on climate.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...ing-the-world/
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Re: Northwest Passage - 2018

Here's one to keep an eye on for climate changers and its not man
https://www.livescience.com/48069-se...irl-ocean.html
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