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Old 24-04-2018, 10:55   #631
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I start with the CRAAP test. Yes, that it is what it is called.

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Which is very similar to the MMGWC Test that I utilize, which allows me to respond accordingly.
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I am just reading your sources. This one is a well-known predatory journal.
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I start with the CRAAP test. Yes, that it is what it is called.

American Library Association Updates Its CRAAP Test for Spotting Fake News | Mental Floss
One of those acronyms that works on multiple levels. You've cited this before and it certainly seems like a sound, albeit very general guideline, but using it as a "test" is fraught with subjectivity imho. Easier to apply "where unsubstantiated blog posts show up in a Google search beside peer-reviewed studies." A little harder when that same blog post or article legitimately relies on scientific studies but then advances the author's own opinion or conclusion without attribution. And harder still when its two scientific articles which reach different conclusions. But what's downright deceptive, whether done intentionally or not, is when scientific articles or related materials are used to support only one legitimate view of the science while ignoring the other. One can always argue why the other view may be less reliable, etc., but ignoring it doesn't help the proponent's cause. On the contrary, when issues come down to a battle of the experts then it's more often than not credibility which carries the day.
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I am just reading your sources. This one is a well-known predatory journal.
What the heck does that mean if there's a debate going on? Any position or publication that opposes yours is predatory? Is that all you've got??
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I am just reading your sources. This one is a well-known predatory journal.
"Predatory Journal" is one of the slurs used for an information source that goes against ones Religious Dogma. See, if you can discredit it with name calling, then you don't have address the scientific points.

Remember this isn't about Science....this is about Religions Dogma.
Once you understand that about the MMGW Believers, you realize that trying to convince them with data and facts is a waste of time. Because they are ruled by emotion and heart. The path to their salvation is through mother earth and Gia so when you present data/facts/reason that contradicts this....well they take it as a personal attack because you have made them question the very essence of their existence.

Why do you think they call non-believers Skeptics or Deniers....it's all part of framing the debate into the Saved and the Lost. The Good vs Evil.

Fun stuff.
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Check out the current volcanic activity as the sun enters the minima volcanic activity has skyrocketed.
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Looks like decline to me.



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Re: Northwest Passage - 2018

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Looks like decline to me.



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look at 05 to 09 in your charts as the sun enters the 09 minimum the volcanic activity appears to have increased. Then as the solar activity climbed back up to the latest maximum in 2014 volcanic activity decreased. Now as the sun enters another minimum the volcanic activity again increased .
That jack is from your own charts .
Which btw show less than 10% of the actual active volcanoes at any time on the planet.
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I am just reading your sources. This one is a well-known predatory journal.
just because you feel that this is a " predatory " journal . Doesn't automatically invalidate the data . Or does it ?
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"Predatory Journal" is one of the slurs used for an information source that goes against ones Religious Dogma. See, if you can discredit it with name calling, then you don't have address the scientific points.

Remember this isn't about Science....this is about Religions Dogma.
Once you understand that about the MMGW Believers, you realize that trying to convince them with data and facts is a waste of time. Because they are ruled by emotion and heart. The path to their salvation is through mother earth and Gia so when you present data/facts/reason that contradicts this....well they take it as a personal attack because you have made them question the very essence of their existence.

Why do you think they call non-believers Skeptics or Deniers....it's all part of framing the debate into the Saved and the Lost. The Good vs Evil.

Fun stuff.
I bailed out on any potential career in the sciences way back when there was talk of dissecting frogs and such in grade school. Wasn't wild about spending time in the "lab" either now that I think about it. But I never thought that terms such as Predatory, Debunk, or Denier would be bandied about in discourse that purports to uphold the scientific method.

I suppose if you encouraged a kid to take up smoking cigarettes for good health it would be "predatory," and the health rationale fairly described as "debunked." If you nevertheless dismissed the irrefutable links between smoking, heart disease and cancer you might aptly be "denying" all of the well-settled science. But "Denier" was terminology previously reserved for those who refused to convert during the Inquisition, or those who refused (and still refuse) to acknowledge that the Holocaust ever happened. So if you're questioning the prevailing CC mantra you're not exactly in the best company. I'm good with "skeptic" but "Skeptic" just sounds like "Denier-lite." Whether or not this terminology is consistent with religious-type beliefs it certainly doesn't sound all too scientific. In fact, it sounds more like an early warning system for the CRAAP test if you ask me.
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just because you feel that this is a " predatory " journal . Doesn't automatically invalidate the data . Or does it ?
I think we should invalidate the NYT because it published an op-ed by Mr. Lomberg. Or how about IBD because it had the nerve to allow criticism of one of its anti-CC articles to be published. It's remarkable how, even at this point in history, so many continue to be oblivious to the dangers of censorship and suppression of speech, thought and ideas.
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just because you feel that this is a " predatory " journal . Doesn't automatically invalidate the data . Or does it ?
I do not "feel" it is a predatory journal, I know it is. CCSE is a pay-to-publish scam.

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I do not "feel" it is a predatory journal, I know it is. CCSE is a pay-to-publish scam.

https://beallslist.weebly.com/
that is your opinion for the publication fine but does that invalidate the data .
That was just one of the links I posted to the data so I think the data is valid
Dispute the data not the publication. That carried it.
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I do not "feel" it is a predatory journal, I know it is. CCSE is a pay-to-publish scam.

https://beallslist.weebly.com/
beallslist this is one I may have to bookmark seems like a possible data source.
Btw from his website


This is an archived version of the Beall's list - a list of potential predatory publishers created by a librarian Jeffrey Beall. We will only update links and add notes to this list. A list of new predatory publishers is available below the original one.

What are Mr beall's credentials to arbitrarily make decisions about who is or isn't predatory.

Many of the science reports are commonly behind a pay wall meaning you have to pay for access for the data ( that sounds like predatory behavior to me .)
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Looks like decline to me.



What do you have?
Where did that graph come from? Home made?
Whoever made it:
a. Doesn't know what LINEAR means.
b. Is either deliberately deceptive or doesn't realise the effect on the trend line (however it was derived) of including the last partial year data point.
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Where did that graph come from? Home made?
Whoever made it:
a. Doesn't know what LINEAR means.
b. Is either deliberately deceptive or doesn't realise the effect on the trend line (however it was derived) of including the last partial year data point.
The linear is the line with the slight decline at 35.

The graph source (easily found with a right click)

https://www.metabunk.org/sk/Volcanic...-1945-2015.png
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