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Old 16-09-2016, 21:45   #91
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Unfortunately, the list is nearly endless and growing daily:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...iracy_theories

One of my personal favorites is that the Bush administration orchestrated the 9-11 attacks. (That one is true, by the way. I saw a video on the internet that proves it).

We seem to be hard-wired to believe what we want to believe, either ignoring science or distorting it to conform to our beliefs.
Yeah, the internet is a double-edged sword. (Maybe not-so-remarkably, given the inherent natural capitalism of human nature, shortly after Gutenberg's invention there was much concern about the somewhat dubious uses to which the technology was being put. It's hard not to look at the internet as 'Gutenberg for the 21st century'...[leaving out, of course, the rather oxymoronically named, 'smart' phone and its' ilk]). I've been threatening myself to start a thread asking 'How do you determine your sources' reliability?' or 'What do you 'trust' and why?' or maybe just 'Who do you believe?', but have so far resisted the temptation (or is that 'lacked the gumption?')...



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What is really scary about the ice cap shrinkage is that a large percentage of the hard, thick multi-year ice is gone leaving only the softer more vulnerable and thinner single year ice.
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Yep, blame it on the Russians.

I have to think that ice breakers of all nationalities do contribute to the ice melt by, especially, breaking up multi year ice. However, as stated in the article, this effect is secondary to global warming. Just one more of man's intrusions on the global climate causing warming.
With all due respect, What multiyear ice? After 2010, as seen in the loop below, there is essentially no multiyear (over 4 years old) ice left.

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Old 17-09-2016, 06:25   #92
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I've been threatening myself to start a thread asking 'How do you determine your sources' reliability?' or 'What do you 'trust' and why?' or maybe just 'Who do you believe?', but have so far resisted the temptation (or is that 'lacked the gumption?')...
The CRAAP test is a good tool to use to assess sources.

https://www.csuchico.edu/lins/handou...l_websites.pdf
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Not hard to see a pattern.

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Maybe if you squint really hard, and think the last 40 years matter in the long run of thousands of years.
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When temperatures are above average there is warming.





Notice a trend?


AHHH 0.1C over 40 years!!!! What do we do? I know, send money to the people warning of doom!
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AHHH 0.1C over 40 years!!!! What do we do? I know, send money to the people warning of doom!
You could start by learning to read a graph.

BTW the recent RSS trend for the lower troposphere:



Did you notice the trend in the increasing number of yachts and other vessels transiting the NWP? That is the thread topic.
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You could start by learning to read a graph.

BTW the recent RSS trend for the lower troposphere:



Did you notice the trend in the increasing number of yachts and other vessels transiting the NWP? That is the thread topic.
Yeah, more people on a fool's errand. One I plan to undertake myself. This has nothing to do with "global warming" and more to do with people with a sense of adventure. The point?

As for the "increasing temperatures" 40 years, does not a climate make.
Stop panicking, and wake up. We are not going to get much hotter. CO2 is not a major greenhouse gas, as it has doubled, and the temperature has remained about the same. We are recovering from a cold period, and a single major volcanic eruption would drop the global temp a few degrees C and kill millions of people, as it has in the past. What don't you get, cold is bad, warm is not.
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Wonder what the pack would have looked like if the Russian ice breakers had not broken the sea ice all the way to the pole at the beginning of the melt season.
On another front it looks to me that the nwp is rapidly closing for the year.
Environment and Climate Change Canada - Weather and Meteorology - Full resolution map

I wasn't going to comment on this thread, but you bring up a very valid point. If a natural resource is truly in danger, then why would we want to trample on it and create inroads to speed things up.

Kind of like driving a bulldozer across farm land being lost to erosion. Just doesn't make sense.

BTW, I'm not taking sides and I know what a scientific theory is and they are fairly solid until new proofs come along and change it.


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Maybe if you squint really hard, and think the last 40 years matter in the long run of thousands of years.
I'm not worrying of thousands of years, just twenty and some left to live and sail (best case scenario) so yes, the last 40 years matter to me.
Unlike you suggest, there's no panicking. Instead just regognising the facts how matters are changing today. Not in very remote future we can sail directly from Norway to Bering strait without hugging the arctic shores

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These so called "novice" sailors refereed by the Westerners have successfully crossed PW passage and they arrived Ilulissat, Greenland yesterday.

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...4f&oe=5838B436

Shaun on the left has sailed around the world solo a few years ago through Cape Hope and Cape Horn. After this voyage, he is still a damn newbie.

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Kind of like driving a bulldozer across farm land being lost to erosion. Just doesn't make sense.
But it might make somebody rich. Like the CEO of an Oil Company or shipping company, for instance.
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Have a look at the graph from RSS.

Notice that not one single data point from 1994 to the present is below the mean. When temperatures are above average there is warming.




Notice a trend?
Some how I completely forgot about this comment when I made my reply, and just remembered reading it.
Quite simply depends on where you mean is set.
EG the other mean, the one that is not so below the line.
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Some how I completely forgot about this comment when I made my reply, and just remembered reading it.
Quite simply depends on where you mean is set.
EG the other mean, the one that is not so below the line.
Thanks, thats even better showing the area below and above the mean culmination point being 1995
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Not too soon to be planning your 2017 Northwest Passage luxury cruise.



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Southern NWP remains virtually ice free, as seen in the satellite view from yesterday, below. Note also that M'Clure and Prince of Wales straits, on the western end, are also open, with broken ice only obstructing a small section in the middle central western third...
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Looks to be icing up quite well not really passable for much longer
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