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Old 20-03-2015, 10:14   #61
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LE....we know we can always count on you to help set the Climate Scam straight, but when you see how the data is being massaged and faked...you might as well say that Bran muffins are good for your health, eating Fat makes you fat, and admit that the warming predicted by all the models just isn't happening.
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FISH ON.....

Take care amigo...and stay warm up there with all that Global Warming going on.
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I'm curious what climate-change-deniers (those of you who are so angry at the tree-huggers and scientists who dare to make the claim that man-made climate change is probably happening and probably very dangerous) think the MOTIVATION is for the majority of the scientific community to participate in this "hoodwink".

When I see the majority of climate scientists agreeing that it's happening and it's dangerous, when I see the entirety of scientific publications on the topic generally falling in the same distribution (huge majority in support of the idea that it's happening and it's dangerous) and then see that most studies funded by the fossil fuel industry deciding "its not happening and it's not dangerous" I draw a simple conclusion, one that may be wrong, but is certainly rationale: The fossil fuel industry has a lot to lose if the world reaches agreement that burning fossil fuels is causing dangerous changes to climate, so they fudge their data. Its big money protecting their own asses.

Concluding that the overwhelming majority of the scientific community (a community whose participants have largely chosen a life of prediction based on _observation_, a community that throws away old theories as soon as a better, more successfully predictive one comes along) is just "out to make trouble for us entrepreneurs" is, in my opinion, a bizarre choice.

Help me understand you better, climate-change-denier. Because it feels like the typical, knee-jerk, fear-of-change reaction that has been holding back progress since "science" (observation-based theory + prediction) began.
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Ask and you shall receive...

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Now you asked and wanted to know but It will take some critical thinking skills and a departure form your current world view to "get it" but the truth is out there if you chose to take the Red Pill and lower the veil from your eyes and mind. Actually, once you start to see it...it's darn easy to understand, watch happen, and call out.

In a nut shell...Radical Environmentalism is the new home of Communists and Socialists, as they say themselves if you have the courage to listen. When a movement's leader starts quoting Karl Marx with fondness...well....hello...

As said by one of the Movement's Leaders:

"But as socialists, we know that there can be no lasting solution to the world’s multiple environmental crises so long as capitalism remains the dominant economic and social system on this planet.

Meetings such as this play a vital role in building a movement that can stop the hell-bound train of capitalism, before it takes itself and all of humanity over the precipice. Building such a movement is the most important thing anyone can do today – so I’m honored to have been invited to take part in your discussions.

One hundred and fifty years ago, Karl Marx predicted that unless capitalism was eliminated the great productive forces it unleashed would turn into destructive forces. And that’s exactly what has happened."

Ian Angus is editor of Climate and Capitalism, and co-author, with Simon Butler, of the new book Too Many People? Population, Immigration, and the Environmental Crisis.
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Ya....kind of like doubting the "Big Bang Theory" which has now been proven to be false.
Someone proved a negative?

That's a first then.
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This article may give some food for thought.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/fossil-f...lly-1426282420


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Wait, so you went to a socialist website that talks about the environment and that's proof that there is a vast conspiracy involving every single academic institution and journal in the entire world? That wants to do.... something?

Do you know how science works? Or how things get published in journals?

You can't just throw out words like Socialism! Karl Marx!! while waving your hands around and making scary noises
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One of the pioneers of revolutionary socialism and environmentalism was the British poet and artist William Morris. he described the starting point this way:
“The first real victory of the Social Revolution will be the establishment not indeed of a complete system of communism in a day, which is absurd, but of a revolutionary administration whose definite and conscious aim will be to prepare and further, in all available ways, human life for such a system …”
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Do you know how science works? Or how things get published in journals?

You can't just throw out words like Socialism! Karl Marx!! while waving your hands around and making scary noises
As a scientist with 13 patents and speaker at multiple scientific environmental conferences that allowed me to retire and go cruising at 38...yes....I understand how science and Capitalism works, but thank you for the attempted education.

The question of "WHY" was asked, I then gave some homework for study...it's then up to YOU to do your homework or spout talking points. It doesn't really matter to me what road you take: Ignorance or Enlightenment.

Once you understand the WHY...then you can look further into the Data, into the models and see the manipulation, lies, etc like the fake Hokey Stick, faked and adjusted data to show warming. It all starts with understanding the Why, then you can easily see the manipulation of the data.
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One of the pioneers of revolutionary socialism and environmentalism was the British poet and artist William Morris. he described the starting point this way:
“The first real victory of the Social Revolution will be the establishment not indeed of a complete system of communism in a day, which is absurd, but of a revolutionary administration whose definite and conscious aim will be to prepare and further, in all available ways, human life for such a system …”
great, some poet talking about his version of a utopian state

what has that got to do with the thousands and thousands of peer reviewed studies that climate change is accelerating due to made-made factors

gonna say this again

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As a scientist with 13 patents and speaker at multiple scientific environmental conferences that allows me to retire and go cruising at 38...yes....I understand how science works, but thank you for the attempted education.

The question of "WHY" was asked, I then gave some homework for study...it's then up to YOU to do your homework or spout talking points. It doesn't really matter to me what road you take: Ignorance or Enlightenment.

Once you understand the WHY...then you can look further into the Data, into the models and see the manipulation, lies, etc like the fake Hokey Stick, faked and adjusted data to show warming. It all starts with understanding the Why, then you can easily see the manipulation of the data.

You have 0 understand of scientific models apparently, nor any notion of why the entire idea that raw data, models and predictions have been faked by thousands of respected institutions, scientists and journals over 20 years for pretty much no decenable motive is so completely, utterly, ludicrous.

These guys have done a fantastic job apparently - they've been going for over 20 years, ever since their work with the tobacco industry.

I don't think either of us will get anywhere here, so I am going to bow out.
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I LOVE Global Warming! I LOVE the seas rising.... in 3498, I'll have waterfront property! I can't wait!
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Ya...that's it whatever you need to think to not disrupt your world view.
That after all is uncomfortable.
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In a nut shell...Radical Environmentalism is the new home of Communists and Socialists
This statement makes alot of sense, actually.

The last generation's cranky old guys spent their time railing against communism, elevating it to near mythic levels of evil. Look at us now - communists are in the top ranks of our go-to suppliers. So, it's no longer that sensible to rail against communism. Not polite to be slagging your major trading partners.

So, where does all that irrational cranky self-righteous old-guy hate go to? We have the answer - climate change! Seems obvious now, but thanks to Rich for expressing it so clearly.
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Any Time amigo.
Always here to help.

But you will notice our friend Lake is calling expressing disapproval of tens of millions of deaths at the hands of the Communists as "Irrational".
If Lake wants to label people that are against the murder of scores of millions as "irrational cranky self-righteous old-guy hate", I'm a proud hater of evil, but at 44yrs old, I won't take the label of OLD....tushe
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