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Old 23-03-2015, 13:15   #361
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We just heard that the Sun isn't as important to the Earths Temperature as man Made CO2.....

Folks....if you believe that pay your Stupid Tax, buy a Coal Powered electric Car, and buy your Lottery Ticket....

That's classic.
Um, that's not what he said at all. If you need to distort your opponents arguments, it's usually an indication that your own are weak. And, in this case, they are.
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Ham-fisted...Ham Sandwich or Ham Radio.

It's really all the same.
Not much on the humor thing either, apparently.
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Um, that's not what he said at all. If you need to distort your opponents arguments, it's usually an indication that your own are weak. And, in this case, they are.
Funny...that's not what the people who matter seem to say....aka...the voters....and amigo...don't intrepert sarcasm and ridicule with debate.
Once you figure out that you have a real live MMGW Cultist on the hook...all you can really do is feed them a little slack line.

Where ya been?
25 pages of posts and we missed your intellect.
Sense of humor...oh I laugh all day long at the MMGW Cultists...them and Al Gore crack me up....
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Including cutting off your grant. It's all about the money. And the money buys the votes. Beware of dealing with the government when they hold the pocket book over your head.
I think the petroleum industry (Koch Bros.), and it's "think tank" (Heartland) have much deeper pockets.

If you want to go where the money is, you'd do much better concluding that climate change isn't real.

Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks | Environment | The Guardian

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I think the petroleum industry (Koch Bros.), and it's "think tank" (Heartland) have much deeper pockets.

If you want to go where the money is, you'd do much better concluding that climate change isn't real.

Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks | Environment | The Guardian

"Dark Money" Funds Climate Change Denial Effort - Scientific American
Hey Ethel....
We got ourselves a live one that can cut/paste....
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Nuclear is a limited resource. The total energy stored in known reserves of nuclear are a small fraction of the known reserves of fossil fuels.
Not sure about the above if you take thorium into account and also the breeders?

At the moment the biggest problem with nuclear is all the baggage that has been attached to it by scare mongering and fee farming lawyers and alternate agenda bureaucrats.
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In a nut shell...Radical Environmentalism is the new home of Communists and Socialists
In Australia the Greens (members of the Greens political party) are known as water melons - green on the outside, red on the inside?
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Now we are talking and the topic of Nuclear power in my view exposes the fraud of the MMGW movement....follow me here.

Lets say I'm in the bag and have swallowed hook, line, and sinker that Man's use of fossil fuels is the main driver of Global Warming. I have kids and I want to have Grand kids one day. So I look around and ask, "what are my choices, what can I do to save the world for my kids and grand kids?"

Do I dramatically change my life and the life of the world economy by turning off the lights and stop driving cars?

OR

Do we build Nuclear power plants like Starbucks around the County and then convert to electric cars.

So the world gets to continue pretty much as is with small tweaks with a 100% non-CO2 releasing power source OR we shut it all down?

Bingo...
The very fact that the EcoFacists are also against Nuclear power when it could completely solve the problem they say will kill is, tell me what?
It tells me their agenda isn't about stopping CO2....it's about Power, Money and control.

I Love Nuclear power and the newer designs make it impossible for a melt down even if cooling water is lost. The waste is minimal and it solved the Big Oil Addiction problem.
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In Australia the Greens (members of the Greens political party) are known as water melons - green on the outside, red on the inside?
OMG...I love that!
It's hilarious and True!
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Hey Ethel....
We got ourselves a live one that can cut/paste....
No argument here. I mean, really, you have no argument.
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Now we are talking and the topic of Nuclear power in my view exposes the fraud of the MMGW movement....follow me here.

Lets say I'm in the bag and have swallowed hook, line, and sinker that Man's use of fossil fuels is the main driver of Global Warming. I have kids and I want to have Grand kids one day. So I look around and ask, "what are my choices, what can I do to save the world for my kids and grand kids?"

Do I dramatically change my life and the life of the world economy by turning off the lights and stop driving cars?

OR

Do we build Nuclear power plants like Starbucks around the County and then convert to electric cars.

So the world gets to continue pretty much as is with small tweaks with a 100% non-CO2 releasing power source OR we shut it all down?

Bingo...
The very fact that the EcoFacists are also against Nuclear power when it could completely solve the problem they say will kill is, tell me what?
It tells me their agenda isn't about stopping CO2....it's about Power, Money and control.

I Love Nuclear power and the newer designs make it impossible for a melt down even if cooling water is lost. The waste is minimal and it solved the Big Oil Addiction problem.
Whose agenda is about power and money? Heartland Institute - SourceWatch

But, I can see you're an expert in marine refrigeration -- so, naturally you'd have a pretty thorough understanding of the Earth's climate.
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Whose agenda is about power and money? Heartland Institute - SourceWatch

But, I can see you're an expert in marine refrigeration -- so, naturally you'd have a pretty thorough understanding of the Earth's climate.
Actually no...it was my prior life in Pollution control and measurement that gave me my background, other than that (like having actually been to power plants and measured their emissions in the process of installing and adjusting pollution control systems) its just good old common sense and data analysis. When was the last time you were at a power plant working on the facilities emission controls? Never?...oh...

Power and Money?
Question: What happens to all the hundred of millions of dollars all the Climate Research centers and Climate Change related agencies get if man isn't the problem? What happens to all the Grants and Education Departments and Department chairs? Do they then start working on turning lead to gold? Or do they go out and enjoy the Obama recovery and hit the job search market?........

As fun as this is I gotta go do something constructive before my business partner finds out I'm just screwing off all day...have a great day and I'm sure you care enough about MMGW to be car pooling to work or taking the public buss right? No....holly smokes...or should I say Holly CO2?
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Global cooling would be a bitch, with shorter growing seasons and loss of harvests. People would die.

Global warming and co2 increase in comparison would be a walk in the park, Increased Co2, actually promotes plant growth. Some sea level rise and we all move to Canada..
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A little bit of research on Judith Curry tells me that she is an AGW supporter that is critical of the doom and gloom "marketing". Not sure that makes her a skeptic in the true sense.
A bit more research would lead you to

https://www.skepticalscience.com/Judith_Curry_blog.htm

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She is not really a denier.
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I'll stand somewhat corrected. This lady seems to have once been an AGW supporter that became disillusioned by the constant "sky is falling" and stifled debate and has progressively become skeptical of the more dire predictions on global warming.

On a side note, skepticalscience.com and to a lessor degree realclimate.org remind of creationist web sites. Realclimate at least is convincing enough, but skepticalscience is just trying it on way too hard!
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