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Old 22-02-2011, 08:26   #91
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I doubt it Mark.... there's some stupid self important people out there... a Dutch couple for a start...
I'm sure there is an interesting story there Boatman...
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While a tragedy, the dangers of sailing in this area are well known. Individuals who knowingly put themsevles, friends and family in danger do so at their own risk.
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A sad day for all.
Why do they not sort it out (there is no oil there???)
Fair winds!
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This is the worst possible outcome, and based on the description of events, especially the report the 2 pirates were already in custody, there seems to be a lot more to this story that hasn't come out yet.

My condolences to the families.
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My wife and I are in tears over this senseless killing in the Indian Ocean.

Also 2 owners of sailboats in Panama killed in the last month, Don North and JanPierre ?. I will start a new thread on that one. Killer captured. Motive: steal their sailboats Winddancer and Levante. Location near San Blas islands Panama
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A sad outcome to be sure. Personally I was astounded at BeBe's chart in post 49 re the number of attacks. I've had my head down a hatchway.
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That is so sad about the Quest. I talked to an Indian friend of mine who said sailing the coast of India is quite safe. I guess maybe I won't be doing a trip around the world. Maybe out to Thailand. Good thing I love Thailand. I'm going to be testing some boats out there in a few weeks. But the thought of wrestling with a bunch of AK-packing sweaty pirates in the Northern Indian Ocean doesn't sound like it's worth it to me.
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My wife and I are in tears over this senseless killing in the Indian Ocean.

Also 2 owners of sailboats in Panama killed in the last month, Don North and JanPierre ?. I will start a new thread on that one. Killer captured. Motive: steal their sailboats Winddancer and Levante. Location near San Blas islands Panama
That won't be necessary, James: Alleged Murderer of Cruiser Arrested in Panama

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Re: 'Big Catch' S/V Quest Capture - Non-Politcal !

is a very very sad thing.
beowulf-i agree--doesnt sound like fun sailing.
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A bit more information here
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/23/wo...s.html?_r=1&hp
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Re: 'Big Catch' S/V Quest Capture - Non-Politcal !

Pirates shoot dead four American hostages: U.S. military | Reuters

This Reuters stories has a quote from the pirate side:

Two Somali pirates spoke with Reuters by telephone on Tuesday.
"Our colleagues called us this morning, that they were being attacked by a U.S. warship," a pirate who identified himself as Mohamud told Reuters.
"The U.S. warship shot in the head two of my comrades who were on the deck of the yacht by the time they alerted us," Mohamud said. "This is the time we ordered the other comrades inside yacht to react -- kill the four Americans because there was no other alternative. . . ."


So it sounds like US snipers took out two pirates, and that started the killing of the hostages. But the NY Times story linked above makes it sounds like the extra two dead pirates had been killed by their pirate comrades. ???


Puzzling all around. If USN snipers did just summarily pick off two pirates, knowing that over a dozen more were on board, that would have been terrible tactics. So bad I can't really imagine that's what happened.
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O, boy; this is bad.

The only positive point is that they are not taken prisoner by us (I'm Dutch); we would probably treat them as victims and give them political asylum.

Do the US have laws like the Russians have (e.g. leave it to the captain of the vessel who captured them?).
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A sad day for all.
Why do they not sort it out (there is no oil there???)
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I think you've got it in one.
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O, boy; this is bad.

The only positive point is that they are not taken prisoner by us (I'm Dutch); we would probably treat them as victims and give them political asylum.

Do the US have laws like the Russians have (e.g. leave it to the captain of the vessel who captured them?).
I think that most of the task force subscribes to a policy of "catch and release" at the moment, because there is no place to try them in Somalia. Their weapons are confiscated, as far as I know.

Will these particular deaths (there have been a lot of other deaths already, by the way), spur the U.S. to a more robust response?

I don't think so, unless public opinion forces the issue. The U.S. and its expensive armed forces are already overextended, like the U.S. credit line. There's no upside shooting even piratical Somalis and the U.S. is leery of the place since their last shoot-up there 20 years ago. Also, they really don't need from a PR point of view to be shooting more Muslims.

Look to China to go in because no one (particularly themselves) will quibble over a few thousand dead brown people, and because they have increasingly critical strategic interests in Africa.

Look to India to shoot for the practice and as a way to show Pakistan they have the stones to do a sea war.

Look to Russia because their special squads are getting fat and lazy.

Do not look to any Arab nation to do more than complain. They have enough on their plates domestically at the moment and it serves their elites to have the infidels do the dirty work.

This is a very sad outcome, but one that does not surprise me. Southwest ho for Cape of Good Hope, maties.
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