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Old 19-02-2011, 22:29   #16
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Instead of gross speculation, why don't we ask our own Mark J. He made this same passage.
I believe that Mark J. has already said in other posts that he would not make that passage again, that it was to dangerous. He has also stated that he witnessed either a hi-jacking or an attempt to hi-jack on that passage.
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The USS Momsen is not on the scene.

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Sorry guys, but the news we got regarding the USS Momsen being at the scene of the hijacking was totally incorrect. The Momsen and her crew on homeward bound as I type this… Not sure how we got such backwards information, but as soon as we an update to this situation (from a better source this time), we’ll tell you.
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Fears for four U.S. citizens after Somali pirates hijack yacht off the African coast | Mail Online
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I don't think their web site or mission to distribute bibles had anything to do with this. However, I do worry about the pirates becoming enraged at finding a bunch of bibles on board. It only takes one hot-head to do something stupid.

Btw, are these the only Americans currently held?
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I don't think their web site or mission to distribute bibles had anything to do with this. However, I do worry about the pirates becoming enraged at finding a bunch of bibles on board. It only takes one hot-head to do something stupid.

Btw, are these the only Americans currently held?
Yes.

Something tells me that we will be taking the fight to them this time around though.
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Folks, I am concerned about posts discussing future military operations. If you were aboard a naval ship about to carry out an operation, would you want any possible element of surprise to be given away?

The CaptainG website was wrong to publish that sort of information whether is correct or not.


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Pete7 - I don't think that this (see below) counts as future military operations since the insurers are fed up waiting for the military to get involved.....

Private Fleet Of Armed Boats To Fight Somali Piracy

LONDON (Dow Jones)–Insurers in London’s financial district are finalizing plans to create a private fleet of armed patrol boats in the Gulf of Aden, in an effort to fight Somali piracy, U.K. newspaper The Times reports Friday.

The plan was conceived by leading figures in the Lloyd’s of London market, including Jardine Lloyd Thomson Group PLC (JLT), who have been working with ship owners, freight operators and governments for months.

The intended goal of the Convoy Escort Program is to provide protection for tankers in the seas off war-torn Somalia, while also reducing the soaring costs of insuring vessels, cargo and crew against attacks, the paper reports.

Full story: The Times | UK News, World News and Opinion

Private Fleet Of Armed Boats To Fight Somali Piracy*|*gCaptain
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No, it's DoJ's unique world view. Read it again, it makes sense after a couple of goes.....

Pete7 - I don't think that this (see below) counts as future military operations since the insurers are fed up waiting for the military to get involved.....

Private Fleet Of Armed Boats To Fight Somali Piracy

LONDON (Dow Jones)–Insurers in London’s financial district are finalizing plans to create a private fleet of armed patrol boats in the Gulf of Aden, in an effort to fight Somali piracy, U.K. newspaper The Times reports Friday.

The plan was conceived by leading figures in the Lloyd’s of London market, including Jardine Lloyd Thomson Group PLC (JLT), who have been working with ship owners, freight operators and governments for months.

The intended goal of the Convoy Escort Program is to provide protection for tankers in the seas off war-torn Somalia, while also reducing the soaring costs of insuring vessels, cargo and crew against attacks, the paper reports.

Full story: The Times | UK News, World News and Opinion
Private Fleet Of Armed Boats To Fight Somali Piracy*|*gCaptain
I do believe that arming private boats is illegal in international maritime law? I might be wrong. Self defence is, however another thing.
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Under Article 107 of UNCLOS, only military vessels have power to seize ships involved in piracy; and the right of innocent passage defined in Article 19 of UNCLOS is unlikely to be readily extended by neighbouring states to a privately operated armed patrol boat.

Also, any boats operating as 'privateers' will need a 'letter of marque' from a legitimate government. This opens a whole bag of worms IMHO
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Also, any boats operating as 'privateers' will need a 'letter of marque' from a legitimate government. This opens a whole bag of worms IMHO
British merchantmen used to be armed. I wonder if that is still on the statute books? We (UK) have lots of laws that are centuries old. It was only recently that they repealed the law that made it legal to kill a Welshman inside Chester's town walls after dark....
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gCaptain got some bad info …

Sorry guys, but the news we got regarding the USS Momsen being at the scene of the hijacking was totally incorrect. The Momsen and her crew on homeward bound as I type this… Not sure how we got such backwards information, but as soon as we an update to this situation (from a better source this time), we’ll tell you.
Please keep the crew of S/V Quest in your thoughts and prayers.

gCaptain got some bad info… *|*gCaptain
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UPDATE – USS Momsen (DDG 92) on scene Sailboat Hijacking UPDATE – USS Momsen (DDG 92) on scene*|*gCaptain

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gCaptain got some bad info… *|*gCaptain
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Under Article 107 of UNCLOS, only military vessels have power to seize ships involved in piracy; and the right of innocent passage defined in Article 19 of UNCLOS is unlikely to be readily extended by neighbouring states to a privately operated armed patrol boat.

Also, any boats operating as 'privateers' will need a 'letter of marque' from a legitimate government. This opens a whole bag of worms IMHO
Oh, but that could lead to unintended awesomeness. How awesome would it be if you could get a letter of marque issued by the Swedish Pirate Party?
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It is kinda interesting that cruisers often have a difficulty in changing plans, and have a problem with overnight sailing and passages.

Some of the most remarkable examples include a forum member here that tried to clear into Mexico(?) with a gun. They said you leave now or we arrest you, but as he was tired from a passage went for the arrest option and spent 7 nights in a jail.

In Australia going up the Great Barrier reef some folks wanted so bad to only day-hop they would go to anchor in bays no prudent sailor would touch with a barge pole.

People in the Canary Islands were loading up with crew they didn't want or need, not because of insurance, but because they were doing a 2,600nm passage and they thought they would die without so many extras the boat would be over-crowded.

Sailing from Thailand to Oman and up the Red Sea it appears people are trying to do this in little legs instead of decent size chunks because again their prefer coast-hopping.

Last example is the Cape of Storms. I would never, ever, ever, take my Beneteau 393 around the Cape of Good Hope......... Until I have been able to read good information from Evans Starzinger on this forum and spoken to some South Africans. It is a do-able rounding, and the passage there isn't as difficult as one pretends. Its weather windows all the way

Try putting your Chart plotter route button to start in Phuket in Thailand and draw a route to Oman.
Now draw a route from Thailand to South Africa.
It takes about 30 seconds to do.
instead of 2,800nms its 4,600nms (but with stops).
I can assure you once you on a 2,800 miler whats the difference with another 2,000nms?? None - The sprouts may even have time to grow.

I think often cruisers lack the courage to go out cruising, they listen to the scariest stories and believe the most fearful people.
I am no Green Beret hero or courageous cruiser. Its just been me and Nicolle (most of the time and in all the scary bits), just 2 normal people.

The points I am trying to make are:
We must grab the nettle - even when it hurts
We must be flexible
We must be able to go on and not be forced to anchor
We must get over the idea that long passages are bad - they're the best bit of it!
We must plan and sail in the right season
We must be able to sail at night as if it were day (and without torches)
We must be culturally sensitive
We must be ready to up-anchor immediately the local situation gets weird (Tunisia, Egypt etc at the moment)
We must have alternate landfalls in different countries
We must never listen to cruiser BS.
We must have faith in ourselves and our boat to do the Cape of Storms

Thats all I can think of
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