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Old 12-09-2011, 09:30   #1
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A Solution to the Pirate Problem . . .

As a retired Special Forces, Ranger officer with extensive experience working in the intelligence field, I can offer a relatively simple solution to the "pirate" problem which is compatible with international conventions relating to operation/use of international waters.

Given:

1) That the Somali government does not, for practical purposes, operate a maritime navy.

2) That Somali fisherman do ply international waters in furtherance of their fishing activities.

3) That Somali pirates utilize, at a minimum, rifles in pursuit of their prey (but more often automatic weapons, rifle propelled grenades and other sophisticated munitions).

4) That the EU and United States, as well as other nation-states, have established a maritime presence in the Red Sea.

5) That Keyhole 12 (and other reconaissance satellites) assets are available to monitor the comings and goings of vessels from the Somali shoreline.

Then armed with intelligence of the location of those vessels that depart the Somali coast, their bearing and speed, it would be relatively easy to:

1) First intercept those vessels with air assets to confirm their identity.

2) Intercept the vessels with seaborne/rotary aviation assets to board and search the vessels for evidence of weapons (not normally used in fishing operations).

If weapons are found, the vessel is consequently identified as a pirate vessel (since Somalia does not operate a navy), the individuals and weapons are seized, the weapons and vessel are sunk, and the individuals are returned to the Somali coast by rotary winged assets at a location not subject to interdiction by Somali warlords or other armed interventionists.


This approach would make it non-profitable for the pirates to continue plying their trade as their means of interdicting legitimate sea traffic would be "scrubbed" from the area and consequently diminish, yet the nations involved in "policing" the area do not bear the expense of incarcerating or prosecuting the criminal activities of the "pirates". It does not depend on catching the "pirates" in the act, but rather uses the instrumentalities of such crime, i.e. the weapons, to infer illegal status to the vessel and its occupants and thus allowing for the destruction (sinking) of the instrumentalities.
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Re: A solution to the pirate problem ....

why not just go the whole hog and invade the place,working well in afganistan and iraq,plenty of multi nationals that would love to get their hands on the minerals there....
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Re: A solution to the pirate problem ....

why not shoot them out of the water using the satellite based military laser system?
These are not as energy intensive as star trek yet they still would do the job.
Would be no way to trace the counter attack from space. Very deniable technology still effectively plausible deniability is in play.
This is about all you might hear about these kind of lasers for the moment.
Non-Lethal Thermal Laser prototype only works on nudists

Haha, dont take me seriously, of course they dont have such things going on.
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Re: A solution to the pirate problem ....

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As a retired Special Forces, Ranger officer with extensive experience working in the intelligence field, I can offer a relatively simple solution to the "pirate" problem which is compatible with international conventions relating to operation/use of international waters.

Given:

1) That the Somali government does not, for practical purposes, operate a maritime navy.

2) That Somali fisherman do ply international waters in furtherance of their fishing activities.

3) That Somali pirates utilize, at a minimum, rifles in pursuit of their prey (but more often automatic weapons, rifle propelled grenades and other sophisticated munitions).

4) That the EU and United States, as well as other nation-states, have established a maritime presence in the Red Sea.

5) That Keyhole 12 (and other reconaissance satellites) assets are available to monitor the comings and goings of vessels from the Somali shoreline.

Then armed with intelligence of the location of those vessels that depart the Somali coast, their bearing and speed, it would be relatively easy to:

1) First intercept those vessels with air assets to confirm their identity.

2) Intercept the vessels with seaborne/rotary aviation assets to board and search the vessels for evidence of weapons (not normally used in fishing operations).

If weapons are found, the vessel is consequently identified as a pirate vessel (since Somalia does not operate a navy), the individuals and weapons are seized, the weapons and vessel are sunk, and the individuals are returned to the Somali coast by rotary winged assets at a location not subject to interdiction by Somali warlords or other armed interventionists.


This approach would make it non-profitable for the pirates to continue plying their trade as their means of interdicting legitimate sea traffic would be "scrubbed" from the area and consequently diminish, yet the nations involved in "policing" the area do not bear the expense of incarcerating or prosecuting the criminal activities of the "pirates". It does not depend on catching the "pirates" in the act, but rather uses the instrumentalities of such crime, i.e. the weapons, to infer illegal status to the vessel and its occupants and thus allowing for the destruction (sinking) of the instrumentalities.
Take care here. I was taken to the wood shed for sugesting such things. I think I left out removing the pirates from their boat before sinking tho.
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why not just go the whole hog and invade the place,working well in afganistan and iraq,plenty of multi nationals that would love to get their hands on the minerals there....
China has started a world wide program in the hopes of obtaining as much of the rare earths and minerals as possiable..while the west has been at war for the last ten years China has been real busy make'UN" deals with Africa and South America..for us to go after the whole hog would "intell"stepping on some already tender toes...I agree with the Ranger that the "sat."could be used, but for some reason or other they dont...(Thanks for your service soldier).. DVC...China figures into a lot of the "why dont we's"
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Re: A solution to the pirate problem ....

I like your idea. But why bother taking them off their pirate vessel so they can do it again? Take one of our high priced vessels, put the red dot on the pirate boat and push the button! They are pirates!
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I like your idea. But why bother taking them off their pirate vessel so they can do it again? Take one of our high priced vessels, put the red dot on the pirate boat and push the button! They are pirates!
The emotional side of me agrees with you, the rational side says, "Huh"?

One of the things the US (and Canada) promote is that we are both "Nations of Laws". Even the new Libyan government recognizes that, and has stated it wants to be a nation of laws.

Obviously, if you believe that, then all laws need to be followed. Even if we have a pretty good idea that a panga is nothing but pirates, with out absolute proof, we can only have very high suspicion.

But then the emotional side of me says, damn, why not!
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Re: A solution to the pirate problem ....

Politics are fascinating. Sailing is fascinating. This is a sailing forum. Go be fascinated on a political forum for coverage of this topic.

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