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Old 07-08-2011, 09:04   #1
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San Diego to Catalina Trip - Any Suggestions ?

I am planning a sail trip from San Diego to Catalina in September. I have a 29 ft Ranger.

Any suggestions/recommendations for planning a 1st trip? I have a close friend that was diagnosed with ALS Lou Gehrig Disease and this is one of his requests.

How much time to allow sailing to Catalina? What route? Off shore? How far? Any overnights? Oceanside?

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Old 07-08-2011, 09:20   #2
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Took me two full days to sail that last time. Direct. Two nights, one of them just off Pt. Loma. It's only 75 miles, but there is very little wind on most days. I wouldn't go along the shore. It's too crowded, smoggy, noisy, military...is the breeze better though?
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Old 07-08-2011, 09:28   #3
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Re: San Diego to Catalina Trip - Any Suggestions ?

Day one: Starboard tack to San Clemente island. Anchor South end. Check beforehand on any restrictions due to Navy operations (island is military - no landing).
Day two: Port tack to Dana Point. Anchor in free anchorage at North end near the Pilgram (replica of RH Dana's ship).
Day three: Starboard tack to Avalon. Get a mooring and visit Avalon for a couple of days.
If want, stay extra day or so at any of above. Once at Catalina, might want to head up to Two Harbors or any of anchorages between.
Return to San Diego is all downwind.
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Re: San Diego to Catalina Trip - Any Suggestions ?

Last time I did that trip I spent the better part of a day sailing to Newport and then the next day sailed across to Catalina. We were meeting friends in Newport. If the goal is Catalina I would recommend sailing to Dana Point. They have a nice free anchorage there ( go to the north one b/c the south one is close to the bait barge and the birds crap on your boat at night). We motor sailed at around 7.25 knots. The distances from approach bouy to approach buoy are 48 miles SD to Dana Point and 36 miles DP to Avalon. I'm not sure what speed a Ranger 29 makes but at 4 knots you are looking at a 12 hour day and a 9 hour day. Personally I like Two Harbors better then Avalon but Avalon is worth an overnight stop if you haven't been there before. (There is a place on the strand between the stores and the Casino where you can get a shower for $3 and they provide towel soap and shampoo.) Catalina is a a great place to visit but I have only been there in the off season.
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Straight up to Dana Point from San Diego will usually be almost straight up wind (or wind just off of your port bow). Will usually need to motor if that is your track (or "motor-sail", which usually means just having mainsail up to reduce roll from swells). You can also stop in Ocenside, and then head up to Dana Point to reduce hours of continuous motor drone if you decide to head straight up coast.

If you want to sail, still recommend what I said in prior post.
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I do a lot of work in that area, yesterday the current was ~1.5 knots south bound. The wind is typically on your nose. It takes a long time to be on a beat against a current. My advice (as much as it may dismay you) is to motor up the whole way in one straight shot. Sail back down. Going north along the Pacific coast is referred to as "going up hill" and you're going to experience that in detail if you try to sail it.

Clear the channel, go out to buoy 3 (helps clear the kelp beds), turn towards Catalina and there you go.

I'd also recommend staying in Two Harbors (as opposed to Avalon) for at least part of your trip. Isthmus Harbor (the eastern side of Two Harbors) is a really neat place and much less congested.
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Agree with Eric, if you have a short amount of time, just bite bullet and motor straight up to Catalina. Would suggest you sleep on you boat in San Diego the night before, get up very early (i.e., like 3:00 AM) and motor away.

I have gone up using all three of these methods, and all have their advantages/disadvantages.
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Good luck on your sail. We're sailn to Catalina Island on Wed, Aug 10,out of Long Beach. We'll be sailing on my buddy's O'Day 37' sloop. This will be my first as crew sailin and we'll be stayin at Two Harbours 3 days. I'll let you know how it goes..
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Straight up to Dana Point from San Diego will usually be almost straight up wind (or wind just off of your port bow). Will usually need to motor if that is your track (or "motor-sail", which usually means just having mainsail up to reduce roll from swells).

Not intending to be rude here but a Ranger 29 is a SAILBOAT right? Upwind or downwind. I just sailed up wind on a 33 footer in lumpy seas and had a great time. It was a challenge to keep the boat moving because the winds were only about 8 to 12 knots and we had the 100% jib up but we had a great time. Much better then listening to the motor.
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We have done this trip twice. Both times, we motored and sailed (some motor sailing involved here) and did a day to Oceanside, then a day to Dana Point, then a day to Catalina. On the last trip, we needed to get home at a reasonable time on Sunday, so we motored from Avalon at midnight and when the wind came up we sailed the rest of the way, took 15 hours to get back to Harbor island.
Part of the reason for the breaks at Oceanside and Dana Point was that way, we could break it up into two weekends. First weekend brought the boat to Oceanside, then during the week moved the boat up to D.P. then the following weekend sailed out to Two Harbors.
If you don't have a dinghy, then plan to stay in Avalon, as getting ashore will be an issue. If you stay in Avalon, the water taxi was about $3 per person each way, so don't forget anything when you go ashore.
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Not intending to be rude here but a Ranger 29 is a SAILBOAT right?
Just to be clear, I do recommend sailing a sailboat. See my first recommendation, which is a 3-day sail to get to Catalina.

Big consideration is that this is Southern California in late summer. Winds really only come up (and not that strongly) in afternoons and die at night. San Diego to Catalina is dead up wind against a South setting current. Sailing up will take time. My first choice is take the time and sail.
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Just to be clear, I do recommend sailing a sailboat. See my first recommendation, which is a 3-day sail to get to Catalina.

Big consideration is that this is Southern California in late summer. Winds really only come up (and not that strongly) in afternoons and die at night. San Diego to Catalina is dead up wind against a South setting current. Sailing up will take time. My first choice is take the time and sail.
Yep. You'll have wind (usually) from 10am - 6pm this time of year. The rest of the time you'll have a swell, dew, and a current pushing you backwards. The last time I went up there we sailed the entire way up but it was riding a low pressure system with f7 SW winds.

You won't get those types of systems until October at the earliest.

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We just went in June - Sailed to Oceanside on day 1, then crossed to Two Harbors on day 2. The crossing to Two Harbors was probably 80% motoring, partially because we got started early (~7:00 AM) and the wind didn't kick in until noon, and because the last part of the trip is inside the island's rather considerable wind shadow. On the whole, splitting the trip up into 2 days is much more pleasant in my opinion. Both Dana Point and Oceanside make good day 1 targets. We know people who do Oceanside -> Newport -> Two Harbors as well, depending on your boat speed. We find that going to Two Harbors first, then Avalon, then back to SD from Avalon is our preferred route. Two Harbors to SD is about two hours longer than Avalon to SD.

Coming back we did Avalon to San Diego in one rather easy day. The current and wind are usually with you coming back. The angles can get deep, but the wind is usually pretty good. Beware that you'll spend a significant amount of time in the middle of the very busy shipping lane, crossing it on a shallow angle on the direct Avalon/SD route. AIS is a major help if you have it. Also beware that visibility has been terrible the past couple of weeks due to haze/fog, so visibility under a couple of miles is a real possibility.

FYI, if you aim for Oceanside or DP from San Diego, you'll need to go all the way out to buoy "SD" (aka buoy 1) to clear the kelp beds on a direct heading, and even then there's at least one finger that may be in your way. Buoy 3 to either of those destinations is right into the kelp, although Avalon is probably ok if you're going direct.
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Re: San Diego to Catalina Trip - Any Suggestions ?

Not to revive a dead thread...but I'm thinking about sailing from LA down to San Diego in December, but am worried that the trip back will be too much of a slog. Not interested in motor sailing. I like the idea of sailing out to San Clemente as a first leg heading back. Seems to me you could go north to Catalina from there (and not have to go over to Dana Point as one poster suggested). Any thoughts on that route given prevailing winds in December? Thanks for any help.

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