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Old 06-04-2010, 13:50   #196
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No, the holocaust is documented and photographed, most of what you say is hearsay. Big difference. You don't like the Nanaimo Harbor Authority, that is clear. Trying to convince cruisers that their boat will be towed while they are at the pub is a blatant lie and could be harmful to the Nanaimo businesses. I say could be harmful...
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Therefore anyone who doesn't have documentation in his back pocket proving it, should regard the holocaust as having never happened?
I've seen police retaliation campaigns against people who say what the mounties don't want them to say. I wouldn't want to impose them on any of my friends. Is that why you are asking for their names?
If boats were being towed while people were ashore eating dinner, as you have implied, I am sure it would be in the newspapers. Please provide a source or a reference to support your claims. This is not the holocost we are talking about, its a discussion about anchoring fees and the repercussions if someone chooses not to pay them.

I previously requested something to support your claim about a submarine sinking the vessel of a friend of yours. You stated the sailors had been drinking heavily the night before and implied as a result the sub was at fault. I ended up doing the research to find a link to the official report about a Chilean submarine, hitting a sailing vessel in heavy fog. I provided a link for all to see that your claims were not supported by the official report. In fact the official report cited the sailing vessels captain for being at fault, say he had strayed off course in the fog, was operating single handed in dangerous conditions and has no fog warning device of any type.

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http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-re...8/m94w0078.asp

Frankly Mr. Swain, while you may have brought the issue of being charged anchoring fees to light, your outlandish claims of friends telling you this and that, seems to be more storytelling than truth. And that hurts your creditability when you do discuss the issue at hand.
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Quote "And that hurts your creditability when you do discuss the issue at hand."

Probably does your credibility no good either
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Chilean Sub Found Liable

You will notice that the debate on Nanaimo anchoring fees was locked before anyone could point out that the courts found the operators of the submarine at fault and ordered the Chileans to pay the skipper $300,000 , which the Chileans refused to pay, until a free trade agreement with them put their Canadian assets at risk . Then they paid in full.
This debate was cut off only after the apologists for the military gave their version , and information on the court version was blocked. The debate was also cut off before anyone could challenge the ludicrous suggestion that how sunk the Moonglow was, depended on the nationality of the sub leaving the Nanoose testing range. I made no mention of the nationality of the sub, only implied that without the range , it probably wouldn't have been there.
And you say I have a credibility problem.
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I'm sure many budget conscious boaters look forward to paying $ to drop the hook.Paperwork and insurance is a given,but don't know of anywhere in Mexico where you pay to anchor.
It may have changed, but the last I heard, Puerto Escondido was sticking it to everyone.
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The Cancer has spread

The city of Oak Bay next to Victoria BC, has now had it's officers issue live aboards notice they are not allowed in their harbor and must leave or be subject to a $200 a day fine.
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Friends driving by Escondito last winter said the mooriings were totally abandoned, the infrastructure they set up for boaters was unused, and Mexico's tourism industry was wrecked. The end result of money grabbing blind greed? Not enough comming in, so raise the price which means even fewer coming in, so raise the price again etc etc. Where does it stop? When do they wake up?
The sickness is spreading, as I predicted.
If we dont take a stand and give Nanaimo a miss this summer, we will have given other comunities the go ahead to restrict anchoring everywhere in BC. How do you tell your kids you did nothing to defend for the, the freedom we have enjoyed?
A restaurant owner, who is also a cruiser, and wants his kids to have the freeedom we have enjoyed ,was a bit startled when I told him about the boycott Nanaimo movement, Then he thought about it and said "I'll take the hit. Freedom is more important."
Do Nanaimo watefront businesses deserve the support of customers who's ability to come to their town is threatened ,while they do nothing to protest and defend their customers? I haven't heard of any outcry from them over the harbour restrictions. I haven't read any letters to the editors from the waterfront businesses over the issue.
Mobility rights in the charter take priority over short term profits by anyone.
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Agreed with Brent...it is not about the fee, it is about the "cancer" ever growing encroachment of impediments, tournquet by increments imposed by bureaucrats on our lives. No plebicites for these laws that affect our lives. Regulations are now pending even for those who gold pan or engage in small mining... but that is another story as is the fish farm industry that has wreaked havoc on BC wild salmon stocks as in the British Isles, Scandanavia and Chile...permitted in BC by bureaucrats except that one helluva fight is on and looking better for those wishing to save our wild stocks (adopt-a-fry.org). For me it is about the reach of regulator power without the means (plebicites) to fight it.
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Friends driving by Escondito last winter said the mooriings were totally abandoned, the infrastructure they set up for boaters was unused, and Mexico's tourism industry was wrecked. The end result of money grabbing blind greed? Not enough comming in, so raise the price which means even fewer coming in, so raise the price again etc etc. Where does it stop? When do they wake up?
The sickness is spreading, as I predicted.
If we dont take a stand and give Nanaimo a miss this summer, we will have given other comunities the go ahead to restrict anchoring everywhere in BC. How do you tell your kids you did nothing to defend for the, the freedom we have enjoyed?
A restaurant owner, who is also a cruiser, and wants his kids to have the freeedom we have enjoyed ,was a bit startled when I told him about the boycott Nanaimo movement, Then he thought about it and said "I'll take the hit. Freedom is more important."
Do Nanaimo watefront businesses deserve the support of customers who's ability to come to their town is threatened ,while they do nothing to protest and defend their customers? I haven't heard of any outcry from them over the harbour restrictions. I haven't read any letters to the editors from the waterfront businesses over the issue.
Mobility rights in the charter take priority over short term profits by anyone.
One of your better posts Brent.

You do much better when you stick to the point....you start to loose supporters like myself with all the color thrown in...

As stated before Nanaimo is on my bypass list this year...so +1 to your/our cause.
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At this very moment I am motoring PAST Puerto Escondido,heading to Puerto Ballandra to anchor.I refuse to pay to anchor.If this happens in Nanaimo I will do the same.
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