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Old 21-03-2006, 16:25   #16
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Media (spit) are the first to want to reduce emergency spending until there is an emergency when it is always "why were you not prepared". Then it is why has no action been taken, when you need to mobilise men and equipment from outside the affected area, and actually get them there. That cannot be done just like that, the more people you need to move, the longer it takes to do the arrangements, and the longer to move them (simple logistics)

Katrina was a good example - plenty of equipment for the local national guard that was suposed to be called out. But the equipment was underwater, and the manpower either evacuated, dead or looking after their own families. Guard in adjacent states is naturally on sliding scale of readiness, with small numbers at very high readiness, but larger numbers needing longer to assemble, plus time to deploy equipment.

Never heard the media actually explain this! merely complain that somebody should have been better prepared.
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Post Howard unveils cyclone aid package

Heavy rain hampers cyclone cleanup


INNISFAIL, Australia -- Torrential rain is hampering recovery efforts in northeastern Australia in the wake of Cyclone Larry, with power and water supplies still not restored in the hardest-hit town of Innisfail and much of the surrounding region.

Australian Prime Minister John Howard visited the storm-wracked region Wednesday and announced a multimillion dollar package of low-interest loans and tax-free grants to help farmers and small businesses begin rebuilding, The Associated Press reported.

Although there were few injuries and no fatalities after the category five storm hit the far northern east coast of Australia on Monday, the damage to property and agricultural crops has been enormous; some estimates place the damage as high as Australian 1 billion dollars (US$750 million).

Complicating factors is the presence of the category three Cyclone Wati off the Queensland State coast. Forecasters say the storm is acting erratically and might yet make landfall in the next few days. The cyclone had earlier been expected to turn south and not have a major impact on the region.

Around 150 millimeters (6 inches) of rain fell on Innisfail overnight and into the morning where as many as 30 percent of homes have lost their roofs.

The army has provided tarpaulins for many of the estimated 7,000 homeless, but further rains and gale-force winds from a fresh cyclone could worsen the disaster.

Tropical downpours prevented equipment like generators reaching Innisfail, Queensland state Emergency Services Minister Pat Purcell told reporters, according to The Associated Press.

"A number of the roads are making it difficult to get our equipment through," he said.

The highway into Innisfail from the city of Townsville to the south was flooded in three different places and there also were fears that the highway heading north could be closed by flooding, AP reported.

Innisfail is in far north Queensland state, about 1,900 kilometers (1,180 miles) north of the Australia's commercial capital of Sydney.

On Wednesday Howard trudged through mud and rain in a flattened banana plantation as he unveiled details of the recovery program.

The Associated Press reported that the aid involves grants of A$10,000 (US$7,150; euro5,900) to help with the cleanup and low interest loans of up to A$200,000 (US$145,000; euro120,000).

"This is our initial response," the prime minister told a meeting in the shattered town of Innisfail. "I think it's a very comprehensive response to a very difficult situation."

Earlier Wednesday Howard told radio listeners he would meet farmers and community leaders in the region before making an announcement on government relief.

"Obviously we will put money into helping get people back onto their feet. There are some existing programs, we'll do it in partnership with the state of Queensland," Howard said.

Particularly hard hit has been banana and sugar growers. This region produce 80 percent of Australia's banana crop, much of which has now been totally destroyed.

Street fruit vendors and supermarkets in Sydney were displaying signs telling customers there would be no supplies of the popular fruit in the near future.

About 10 percent of Australia's sugar crop is also estimated to have been wiped out.

An insurance industry spokesman spoke on Wednesday it was still too early to predict the final total damage cost, but added that destroyed crops were not insured.

Queensland state leader Premier Peter Beattie acknowledged that the clean up effort was slow, but said significant aid already was reaching residents who lost everything.

"We've got water into the community, we've got food into the community, we're fighting to restore all the services that are necessary," Beattie told Sky News.

"When you get a category five cyclone which belts the hell out of the community, you're not going to restore (services) in 30 seconds. That is going to take days and weeks," he added.

"There's going to be a lot of frustration, a lot of anger, a lot of pain, and we accept ... that will be part of the circumstances."

U.S. President George W. Bush called Prime Minister Howard early Tuesday to offer American help if needed.

"Of course, we are able ourselves to look after this," Howard said. "But it was a very generous, thoughtful gesture on his part, and I thank him for it."
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Old 22-03-2006, 01:04   #18
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Media response

In respect to Bob,17 pages of coverage in tuesdays paper but hardly any reports on boats and the people that own them,still the media over here isnt pointing the blame at anyone.There is no blame to start with.Katrina was far more devistateing than Larry as far as loss of life and flooding.Our governments response has and allways will be a model for other countries,the media is allways looking for drama nomatter what country their from.Yes Bob every little bit helps,sorry,but some of us dont look at indervidual groups in a major dissaster,not in Oz anyway.Now all the rivers around the area are flooding and just compounding the whole thing itself.Ozzies as allways just digg-in and get the job done and dont seek glorification when it's people are in need,or others for that matter.
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still the media over here isnt pointing the blame at anyone
They will when they think the public have had enough of the other sort of stories, and the media cant think of any other way to make their story better than others.
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Cleanup boss: It's important not to set artificial timetables.


INNISFAIL, Australia -- The retired general who will oversee relief and reconstruction efforts in cyclone-shattered northern Australia toured the region Friday and said he could not set a time limit on how long it would take to rebuild devastated towns.

"Ladies and gentlemen, I'm here with my sleeves rolled up and my waterproof boots on," charismatic retired Gen. Peter Cosgrove said in Innisfail, ground zero of the havoc wrought Monday morning by category five Cyclone Larry. "It's time to get to work."

After walking around Innisfail in teeming tropical rain and shaking hands with residents gathered around a free barbecue, Cosgrove pledged to live in the region until his work was done, but said he could not say how long that would take.

"This place has been smashed, this has been a widespread and terrible natural disaster," he said.

Cosgrove, who retired last year as chief of Australia's defense forces, is best known for leading a force of international troops into East Timor in 1999 to quell a bloody rampage by pro-Jakarta militias.

"I think it's important not to set artificial timetables," he said when asked how long reconstruction would last. "Just as when we went into Timor, we didn't know how long it was going to take."

Federal Treasurer Peter Costello said Friday that a package of grants and loans to help farmers and small businesses recover likely would cost around Aust. $100 million ($70 million).

"We can't be sure of the final figure until everybody takes up the loans and the building is done," Costello told reporters in the southern city of Melbourne.

Earlier, Brig. Michael Slater, who is commanding the military cleanup activities, said some Innisfail locals had been expressing anger at the slow pace of repairs, but defended the speed his 400 troops were working.

"There are certainly some locals who are venting and taking out their frustrations on the soldiers," Slater told Australian Broadcasting Corporation radio.

"But I don't think they realize the difficulty and complexity of trying to do a rebuild essentially of the infrastructure and the towns that have been affected," he added. "That can't happen in a couple of weeks. The emergency work can happen very quickly and that has happened."

Slater said the military's fleet of 13 helicopters and dozens of trucks was aiming to ferry aid Friday to remote farming settlements that have been cut off for days by fallen trees and flooding.

It was unclear how badly the pouring rain was hampering those efforts -- it did not stop electricity workers clambering up poles lining the main highway through Innisfail to repair power lines felled by the storm.

Officials estimate thousands of homes were severely damaged, leaving owners living in temporary accommodation or in the roofless shells of their homes.

Farmers whose sugar cane and banana plantations were wiped out estimate their losses in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

One local lawmaker predicted the total damage bill would be A$1 billion ($715 million).

This cyclone-struck region produces 80 percent of Australia's banana crop, much of which has now been totally destroyed.

About 10 percent of Australia's sugar crop is also estimated to have been wiped out.
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Old 24-03-2006, 23:26   #21
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So Bob Norson.

What's your status after helping out your friends in Innisfail?
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Yeah.

It's incredible, that no one got killed by cyclone "Larry"!!
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Old 25-03-2006, 00:03   #23
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Who's registration was revoked?
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Not even 24hrs after Larry hit Ya mate Bob attact the media and totally ignored the fact that everyone up that way was bowled over,shame I say!Cry for everyone not just for some.If its true about his registration being revoked I know nothing about it.Being one who was hit by Larry,you should know first hand of the devistation it has delt the area and people from all walks of life copped a biggie.For that reason I got a bit arcy with Bob being single minded.No doubt you'll be reading about it in T.C.P and we will see whether or not my first thought on Bobs intentions was correct.Mudnut.
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TCP Bob (Norson) is still a registered member of the CruisersForum.
Itís conceivable that heís busy dealing with urgent matters right now.
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Hey cool it down guys. Mudnut, whats the problem dude?
Gemboat, umm,it's your second post but who's counting
Mate, Gord WILL NOT pull a participants rego here with no direct contact with them first. And IF there is or has been any issue with Bob, it is a heck of a lot smaller than some stuff in other area'sin the past.
Personaly, I see no problem with Bob's post. He is not blatently promoting himself or his site. He is ligitimately participating to this site and his link is no different to anyone elses link to their personal website. I see no problem and Bob, I hope you continue to participate.
Hey Gemboat, (this is not a personal attack OK ) careful what is stated. I have seen this happen on another site. Somebody made an accusation and it was totally false. It looked like it was censorship, but it was actually a software glitch. People took it all wrong and as a result the site feel apart and a "renigade" site was started. Look at both sites today, I would say, no one one out of that fiasco. It is possible that Bob's problem is software related, not a pull of rego. I doubt that would ever happen here and if it did, it would be for a very seriouse situation.
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Ē...Gord WILL NOT pull a participants rego here with no direct contact with them first...Ē
Welllll ... actually I have - but it was a porní spam.
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Yeah I was thinking of that when I hit the button, but I figured that everyone would have expected that kind of response.
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Right Alan, right?
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IíM BACK.. First of all to explain gemboat. A friend of ours that volunteers to help with the paper now and then was here at the office when I came back from Innisfail. Her family members were some that we dropped off supplies for. She was here when I caught up on some mail and checked the action on the forum. I could hardly believe what I saw and as exhausted and beat up as I was, was in no mood for it and neither was she. I tried to send off a reply and got knocked back. I was attacked savagely and personally and assumed at the time a connection. Keeping in mind no one present had had much sleep for days and the frustrations of the recent enterprise had left raw nerves. She threatened to do a lot more to you ďmudnutĒ than send a note to the forum but I didnít take it that serious, besides I had work to do. Oh pardon me but yes, I had a story to do and if you see something sinister in that itís because thatís what YOU would do but donít impress your motivations on me. I donít know if it is in you to understand but on the chance, this is what TCP is about; After cruising the Queensland coast for awhile it became apparent to me that the boating community was miss represented. The image presented by the media was of some kind of polished up government approved version of Thirsten Howelll III of Gilligans Island rather than the mob of drinkers, thinkers and real sailors I was having sundowners with. I decided to test my theory. With no experience at all, I am/was a jewellery designer who could hardly send email, knocked out a couple small, crude editions to check. Frankly, I thought it would go no where. Have a laugh and save a copy to show the grand kids. #3 was meant to be the last but I kept running into people who had saved and prised all three editions! My wife and I were dumbfounded. Contributions started coming in from professionals like Jo Djubal that writes for Multihull World and Alan Lucas who is recognised world wide and cruisers of all kinds. And in TCP we all work for free, everyone, including me. Every cent the paper has ever made has been put right back into it. At that point I determined that the paper had to be better quality to justify and respect the contributions and to fund the demand for more copies, it needed advertising. Yeah thatís right.. ads. Not near as many as the magazines you have to pay for on top of it but because we donít feed a corporate greed machine, enough to keep growing. And yes, I promote it when ever I can because I took on the job as advocate for the community and I donít do things half way. You canít help if you arenít visible. So whatís your contribution to the boating community mudnut? Besides knocking another for trying anyway. By the way, the people I delivered supplies for in Innisfail?? Not one has a boat, I know them through boats but all they are, are people that needed help that I knew, and I could, so I did. Do not lecture me on what it is to be Aussie like you think you are the authority. If I thought you were representative of the lot, I would be in Phuket. There is still work to be done there and I doubt they would abuse me for it.

For a full report of my trip north, I have now posted a special edition for, as usual, free download from the web site www.thecoastpassage.com sadly, I couldnít be bothered with getting advertising for this special paper so the new Mercedes will have to wait till next monthÖÖ..

found the problem... I had to enable cookies to post which I didn't before, just had to check in manualy... something new?
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