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Old 13-04-2019, 13:55   #31
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Opposite experience here.

Once I learn the dialect and know the local seasonal prices, I'm such a sharp haggler my partner gets embarrassed (losing face) and lets me do the marketing on my own 8-)
Lol John, somehow that doesn't surprise me!

If the locals are only
making $10 a day, it just doesn't seem right to expect local prices at the market
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Itís just some Canadian-centric quasi-political banter. Nothing to see here Ö. carry on .
When did Canada leave the Americas?
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Just curious if any our American friends understand any of this?
An extrapolation from something I saw in Mad Magazine when I was about 14. (mid '60s)

First Prize was "a month's supply of our famous hamburgers". When asked about 2nd prize, he answered, "Two month's supply."
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When did Canada leave the Americas?
Why I use USian, "American" spans two continents
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Sailing this year in Caribbean I noticed an exegaration in price on boat boys , doesn't matter what they offer is always expensive it didn't care much since nobody force you to pay them but arriving on ST Vincent with no cash on board and no bank on shore to get cash(the same happened before to Africa hehe ) I decided to tell the boat boys the truth sorry man I can't get cash , some of them thought I am lying but other usually the younger ones believed me and visited just to meet us (my girlfriend is African so she attract attention ) .
From them I learned that the island is full of fruits you can pick up for free and they even offer to us some of them and show us where to go and pick up .
The next day I walked to find a bank , unfortunately my CC was declined from the ATM(damn Greece and capital control ) , announcing that to a new friend he took me on a 5.minutes swim from.the anchorage and showed me how easy is to get lobster , and where to fish for tunas .
The next day 5 in the morning we went fishing and came back with 2 sizeable tunas one for us and one I have to my friend to sell .
Another man came selling bananas I told him.that there are no cash but still asked him the price he told.me 20 EC my girlfriend asked plainly " why so expensive ????" And he told us that he buys from the market and resell to the sailors so the price goes higher .


So now after experience this my question is :
Why do you sailors accept to pay 5 to 7 USD for a shore line or even 40 us for a tuna ????(and let's not mention the lobster price where I even made profit )
I believe that those in high budget just don't care and won't to avoid the trouble bit the rest ??



One the tuna is not your,s to sell same with the lobster being territorial waters some would say, pay the tax on the money you made way grease is in the ****
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One the tuna is not your,s to sell same with the lobster being territorial waters some would say, pay the tax on the money you made way grease is in the ****
When I have a tuna or a local fish legally caught, it is mine to give away as I choose. Of course, I never sell when I am a guest in another country. But I do give away when I have an abundance. And I am careful to catch only what can be used.

Overpriced stuff is everywhere. My family from Europe was disappointed at the Grand Canyon National Park because all the stuff for sale in Native shops said, "Made in China."
We can always smile and say, "No. Thank you."
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When I have a tuna or a local fish legally caught, it is mine to give away as I choose. Of course, I never sell when I am a guest in another country. But I do give away when I have an abundance. And I am careful to catch only what can be used.

Overpriced stuff is everywhere. My family from Europe was disappointed at the Grand Canyon National Park because all the stuff for sale in Native shops said, "Made in China."
We can always smile and say, "No. Thank you."

Its legal to fish Tuna and Lobsters i did ask custom and the answer was "As far an the area is not Protected you can do it "


i did gave some tunas to a boat boy and both made profit
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Re: why do you accept those prices ???

Price is only part of the problem, cheating is rampant among boat boys in some islands.

When I tried to anchor in Bequia there was not room anywhere near the town and though the prices quoted by the boat boys who mobbed us were outrageous ($35) we felt it was too late to go elsewhere.

What was worse was that they were selling moorings to us that, little did we know, were privately owned without the permission of the owner. So I paid the fee and the boat boy took off, but I was asked to leave (none too politely, I might add) when the owner of the mooring returned.

Other cruisers report the same scam. Can you get a receipt with the boat boy's name on it? No way, they won't do it.

However the choice is our to make. If we don't like it we just don't have to go there and none of it justifies fishing illegally or picking fruit ashore which has to be on land owned by someone.

Let's don't complain when we are equally at fault.
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(and let's not mention the lobster price where I even made profit )
As a heads up, the local authorities will definitely come down on people commercial fishing illegally. If you are "making a profit" on lobster, it fits the definition. A foreigner selling lobster definitely will draw attention and is taking away from one of the few available jobs in a country with 40% unemployment.
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The problems aren’t so much with us tourists. It’s the distortion these artificial prices cause to the local economy. It can have a serious impact on people who are not in this artificial tourist market. That’s the real reason tourists should be careful about over-paying for items.
That is exactly the problem, and is the same problem caused by 'charity' when we give large tips or gifts to locals.

Why would anyone work a hard 8-10 hour day at some local job, when he can just go down to the dock and earn the same money for basically doing nothing by 'handling lines' for a tourist? Why would people work hard when they can go and hassle a tourist for a handout?

We saw the latter big time in West Africa when we were cruising there a couple of years ago. In Dakar you could barely walk 100m before someone joined you and started acting as a tour guide, being very 'helpful', but asking for money after he had directed you or escorted you to some place.

In the Gambia villages we would be mobbed by children and adults asking for handouts. The one exception was a quiet out-of-the-way village where we were also mobbed by children, but in this case they genuinely did just want to hold our hands. The difference between them was simply the frequency of visits by foreigners who would take pity on them and give them 'small' gifts. Remember that a small gift of $1 is as much as they might earn in a full day. That distorts the economy and does no one any favours.

In the end we donated two soccer balls to the school in that quiet Gambian village. Why? Because the school principal told us that the children are more likely to attend school if they know they can play soccer there at recess.

Yes, we in the West are very rich. But just giving it out willy-nilly to the locals does not help them.
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No, we in the west are not necessarily really rich. We are only "really " rich when compared to the really poor in other parts of the world.
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Anyone who has never known real hunger and has easy access to sanitation and clean drinking water, is relatively speaking pretty wealthy.

Having ever traveled by air puts you in the top 10-15% globally, the ability to do so regularly on holiday maybe 2%
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i just tell the boat boys their prices are too cheap......that really confuses them!

if i do trade with them i generally prefer to use cheap stuff that i have bought in bulk from charity shops before leaving europe like Tshirts,sunglasses, deodorant,dive masks,digital watches ,pencils and paper,2 stroke oil etc bought specifically for trading in out of the way places.

that way i generally get the better deal!
Lol you must be a better salesman than me because the locals didnít want of that crap and most of it came home with me! Minus masks and oil.
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Anyone who has never known real hunger and has easy access to sanitation and clean drinking water, is relatively speaking pretty wealthy.

Having ever traveled by air puts you in the top 10-15% globally, the ability to do so regularly on holiday maybe 2%
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