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Old 26-06-2014, 14:41   #31
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I would be interested in seeing what the contract with the marina says about who owns things left on their property, especially for some length of time.
That would be very interesting to know. If he no longer has a slip at the marina, isn't he trespassing by going and taking the lines?
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Seems like to me that if the lines weren't on the boat, weren't on the inventory list, and weren't attached to the boat, but only at the dock, the situation is gray enough so that accusing the prior owner of theft is a bit of a stretch.

The time to inquire about the lines was before payment, not after.
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Re: Whose lines are those?

PO bought another boat in same marina. Sold boat stayed in same slip.


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Old 26-06-2014, 14:52   #34
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I'm curious what the group here thinks about this. Is there any recourse? What would you do if you were in the current owner's position?
As annoying as it is, if the lines aren't on the inventory list I think you get over it and move on. I can't see how this is worth creating a legal battle/blood feud over.
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Jammer's Law #3: Never go to war with the neighbors.
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Old 26-06-2014, 17:59   #36
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The plot thickens!

So 8 months after leaving the boat and the slip the PO comes back - Advantage New Owner!

I'm now in the trespass/theft camp - He abandoned the lines, the boat is mine and anyone has to agree the slip is mine after 8 freakin' months! Anything on my slip or connected to my slip is mine including dock boxes cleats and lines.

Getting a 3rd party involved usually makes things muddier but the new owner could go to the Marina and demand that his "stolen" hurricane kit be replaced (by the marina) because they failed to take reasonable security measures...

Forget the paperwork - no reasonable person can expect the PO is in the right at this point.
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Old 26-06-2014, 18:13   #37
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I haven't heard anything that changes my mind.

If I were the seller, and needed my lines, I'd go get them.

As a side note, it hasn't been stated exactly when they were taken. From the accounts written above, it could have been the day after the sale. The original account says, and I quote, "Today I discover..."

Because you discovered it that day doesn't mean it happened that day.

This is a side note, because I still maintain that the amount of time doesn't mean anything, and the more I think about this, the more I'm in the seller's camp.
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Old 26-06-2014, 18:29   #38
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I haven't heard anything that changes my mind.

If I were the seller, and needed my lines, I'd go get them.
Then it's a good thing no one needs to change your mind - LOL...

What if the new owner was "on the boat" - Would you confront him, come at night while he is sleeping or wait for him to go on a day sail?
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As a side note, it hasn't been stated exactly when they were taken. From the accounts written above, it could have been the day after the sale. The original account says, and I quote, "Today I discover..."

Because you discovered it that day doesn't mean it happened that day.

This is a side note, because I still maintain that the amount of time doesn't mean anything, and the more I think about this, the more I'm in the seller's camp.

Yes the time frame was pretty clearly stated in my original post. Try and read the sentence after the words you picked. Actually, let me cut and paste to help you. The sentences in total are----Today I discover that the hurricane lines that have been in place from the previous owner are gone. I ask around and find out the previous owner removed the lines last week.




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Yes the time frame was pretty clearly stated in my original post. Try and read the sentence after the words you picked. Actually, let me cut and paste to help you. The sentences in total are----Today I discover that the hurricane lines that have been in place from the previous owner are gone. I ask around and find out the previous owner removed the lines last week.
Ah, you're right, of course. Sorry.

Have you heard back from your buyer?
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The current owner is weighing his options and deciding on his course of action.


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Thank you to all who responded with suggestions and opinions. The current boat owner replaced the necessary lines without further communication with the PO. The course of events are pretty well known throughout the marina community. Time will tell if the actions were worth the cost of damage to the PO's reputation.


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Re: Whose lines are those?

Rather than arguing the rights and wrongs of the situation, the current owner should immediately comply with marina requirements for cyclone season moorings: he has a lot to lose.

Secondarily, yes, he could pursue the situation, or as his rep the OP could. I would not expect cooperation, and would expect a hassle.

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Whose lines are those?

Ann, if you reread my post, it says the current owner replaced the lines. It's not an option if one wishes to remain in the marina, the lines had to be installed for inspection by the Dockmaster.


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Thank you to all who responded with suggestions and opinions. The current boat owner replaced the necessary lines without further communication with the PO. The course of events are pretty well known throughout the marina community. Time will tell if the actions were worth the cost of damage to the PO's reputation.


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It's easy for us armchair lawyers to say, "Let's you (the owner) and him fight."

The owner capitulated which is his choice. The a-hole is still an a-hole. It takes a long time (if ever) for these guys to reap the poison they sow.

But you gotta pick your battles, too.
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