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Old 07-07-2016, 11:05   #31
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Re: What kind of sailboat should I buy?

just noticed tiller steering. Can you outfit a tiller steered boat with electric autopilot? What are the differences between tiller and wheel steering? Which is better?
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Re: What kind of sailboat should I buy?

Yes tiller pilot, a little more hassle to setup and store each time you use it. Have to put it on and off each time vs throw a lever on a wheel pilot.
Wheel vs tiller, more "feel" to a tiller more instinct to a wheel for newbies wife, kids, guests.
I prefer wheel easier to leave helm for short time to raise, lower,adjust sails without needing autopilot.
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Old 07-07-2016, 13:43   #33
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Re: What kind of sailboat should I buy?

With the $20k price limit I would suggest a C&C Mega30 http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=732

There's standing headroom under the bubble.
Relatively fast
Good berths for 4, though no double berths unless you arrange something in the cockpit.
Head is in the forepeak.
Lifting keel, will sail with keel partially retracted.
Trailer able: retracting Brel, 8' beam, 4400lb empty.
Self tending jib makes sailing single- or short-handed much easier.

Other than no double berth this look s to be pretty good as long as you have or can borrow a row vehicle. No reason it couldn't spend the whole season in the water.


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If you do check out that boat, most alcohol stoves are fine, but years ago Kenyon made a pressurized alcohol stove. They are pretty bad, in my experience. No biggy. New stoves, much safer, are around $200 or so. Everything else sounds normal and good, particularly the sails (BIG deal). Condition, however, is everything.


Good points on the weather and on pressurized alcohol stoves (old style).

I would never have a pressurized alcohol stove on a boat. They may look very similar to the newer style alcohol stoves, but there is a much higher risk of catastrophic flare ups happening with the pressurized type.
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just noticed tiller steering. Can you outfit a tiller steered boat with electric autopilot? What are the differences between tiller and wheel steering? Which is better?
Yes, you can add a relatively low cost "Tiller Pilot."

And, at that size boat I would MUCH rather have a tiller! Several reasons.

Better for you to read one of the threads where that same issue "tiller or wheel" has been discussed at length, so you can learn the pros and cons to both sides.

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Re: What kind of sailboat should I buy?

I would buy a ballasted daysailer. You get a small cabin of sort plus you can swing a tent over the boom and sleep in it in the summer too.

Something 20 to say 25 ft, A Bridges, a Pisces. Maybe a J or an Alerion, etc. if you are fancy and wealthy.

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I would buy a ballasted daysailer. You get a small cabin of sort plus you can swing a tent over the boom and sleep in it in the summer too.

Something 20 to say 25 ft, A Bridges, a Pisces. Maybe a J or an Alerion, etc. if you are fancy and wealthy.

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I would never buy a water ballasted boat as first one. Sister and BIL had hunter 25 on lake. Water ballast. Wind gusts at 15 knots were knock down. Too tippy. Just about ended their sailing at first boat. If wind forecasts was over 10 knots she would not go out. Yeah, I can hear you guys yelling what pussies they are. But what wife with a young child wants to have the boat dump onto its rail with relatively minor wind gusts?

They now own a Catalina 28 with fixed keel. And enjoy sailing.
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Re: What kind of sailboat should I buy?

Turns out the Columbia has signs of a leak on inside cabin wall near a window. Is this a deal breaker, or is it fixable? It is currently on a rack.
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Re: What kind of sailboat should I buy?

Boats this old will have signs of prior leaks.
Not a usually a big deal but that boat is on the wrong side of the state. Long way around to get to where you plan on sailing. Check local Craigslist and local marina's.
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I would never buy a water ballasted boat as first one. Sister and BIL had hunter 25 on lake. Water ballast. Wind gusts at 15 knots were knock down. Too tippy. Just about ended their sailing at first boat. If wind forecasts was over 10 knots she would not go out. Yeah, I can hear you guys yelling what pussies they are. But what wife with a young child wants to have the boat dump onto its rail with relatively minor wind gusts?

They now own a Catalina 28 with fixed keel. And enjoy sailing.
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Why WATER ballasted?

I meant a ballasted boat. Like a piece of lead or something attached below the boat. Something like the examples I have listed. Day sailors will a small cabin fore.

Water ballasted? Hmmmm. I do not know. I prefer a crate of ale in any case ;-)

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1975 Tartan 27 centerboard $4500 Harrison township.
Detroit Craigslist.
S2 27 foot $7500 Port Sanilac.
Ericson 32 $13900 Richland.
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If you could get to around $20000 I like the Hunter 37 cutter in the water Lake St Clair. They are asking $24000 more than you wanted to spend but....
I've owned two of this model still miss it some days.
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Turns out the Columbia has signs of a leak on inside cabin wall near a window. Is this a deal breaker, or is it fixable? It is currently on a rack.
First, almost ALL boats have minor leaks, especially around the windows. This is VERY common. And, it is usually one of the first things a new owner decides to fix after spending a night on the boat during some rain.

It is something every boat owner can learn to fix, and uses simple tools, some goop in a tube (think sticky glue) and a knife. I would expect to "rebed or reseal the portlights") on any boat, including much younger boats than the one linked. It can be time consuming and sticky (messy) work, so many owners tend to put it off and so the stains.

So, no, I would not consider a few water stains to be a deal breaker.

If the boat is on the hard (up on supports on dry land) this is good so you can see the bottom, look carefully at the rudder, and generally check to see what shape or condition the hull is in. IF you wanted to purchase, you would purchase with a contract that says you will do so after the engine has been proven to work, etc. The conditions or terms of the sale are negotiable.

Be aware that most boats of that size and age will have OLD sails, OLD engines, and usually have some ratty looking cushions that need to be replaced. Most of that size do NOT have a Bimini or good canvas, and most are not very clean. ALL of those things cost time and money to repair, replace, or simply clean.
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