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Old 07-06-2015, 06:27   #46
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Old 07-06-2015, 06:35   #47
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Re: What Is The Big Deal About Single Handling?

hmmmm . . . . no one else seems to have said it straight out . . .. but distance single-handing is in fact significantly more challenging, difficult and also risky.

Day sailing singlehanding is not so different because you don't have the fatigue issue.

It's to do with much higher fatigue, and the fact you can only do one thing at a time (esp when sail handling and docking).

I have sailed single, double and fully crewed . . . . I personally dont much like singlehanding, but I learned a ton from doing it and became a better seaman from it.
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Re: What Is The Big Deal About Single Handling?

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On the issue of single handing, there is being planned a solo non-stop circumnavigation race in 2018, and based on the 1968 Golden Globe Race.

What makes it a bit different from today's races:



If it goes ahead, should be an interesting competition.
Thanks Nigel! Didn't know about this and yes, should be very interesting!
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Re: What Is The Big Deal About Single Handling?

It has been my experience that crew will not always be available at my chosen departure time, location ,schedules etc.,etc..So many erstwhile crew who already have their bags packed at a January cocktail party,fail to materialize at the dock in June ,even for an afternoon daysail.

Here be a great Truth: If you need crew to get out and enjoy your boat, then you will sailing will be attenuated and you will not go very far or often. These boats often will be sold soon and the worlds marinas are full of them.

Another great Truth: Many capable captains love it when crew comes and love it when they leave (the crew often feel the same).

Next great truth: If you do not like being alone, maybe it's the company.

Penultimate great truth 1: Most wannabe cruisers want the biggest boat they can get their hands on,rather than the smallest boat that they can live with. The latter is the one that will teach you the most and is a short cut to realizing your dreams. Stop thinking about the "ultimate boat" that you need.

Penultimate great Truth #2: True single handing is the highest level of seamanship and that is why many will brag of "single handing" when they motor to a slip on the other side of the marina.

Final great truth: The ocean is bigger and more awesome than the largest ship devised my man… a large boat that cannot be singlehanded in all weathers will be much more at risk than a smaller craft that can.Its seamanship that will always get you through.

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Old 07-06-2015, 07:38   #50
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Re: What Is The Big Deal About Single Handling?

I don't get to do long open ocean trips. The longest one I have even contemplated is around Van Isle. Would need at least 2 months to do it right. When I singlehand its because I want to go and there's nobody to take along. When its time to go, you got to go.It does however make risk management more challenging. (There you go, another pilot chimes in.)
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Re: What Is The Big Deal About Single Handling?

Some of us believe that other people are comprehensible, or that at least we should be able to understand what, in our opinion, is wrong with them.

Others have grown to understand that while we may enjoy people and function well with them, we will never actually understand each other, and that just maybe, it's none of our business.

If you think that a driving trip, business trip, or day sail alone are in any way related to a person's ability to be alone, you really do not understand people. Being alone while you are doing something necessary and being comfortable truly living alone come from very different personality types.

I find it very telling that the OP does not realize that a true loner cannot understand him either.

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There are 2 distinct groups of singlehanders:
a. A capable sailor that does not rely upon crew to plan, sail, or dock. Because he, at least occasionally, sails alone, he must have procedures that are adapted to this practice (like not expecting MOB recovery, or for someone to haul lines while dropping the chute). He probably enjoys a few days alone, but probably no more than that, and enjoys company too. He can chose his company for personal enjoyment and not for sailing skills.
b. A person that enjoys being alone. This person would also be happy on an extended (over one week) solo hiking trip. While this person is probably happy around people, relationships have different place in his life than for "a".

Most of us are in category "a", though have non-sailor friends that are in group "b". Do I truly understand them? No, but I am OK with that. I recognize that relationships are different for them. To me., they are far more pleasant that dependent, manipulative people (dependent personalities are nearly always manipulative in ways they do not even see--they need to pull people towards themselves).
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Please enlighten me. Many here LOVE to mention that they "single hand" Well good for you.

Why do people say this all the time? Is it a form of braggadocio or what?

From what little I know, many if not most competent sailors can single hand....so what?

To me, boating, cruising, sailing is something to be shared and enjoyed with friends, family and loved ones. Personally, life is too short to spend alone....esp sleeping alone. IMHO, sailing is OK fun....not super exciting...but is a COMPLETELY different experience with my gal.....makes all the difference in the world. So again...why all the bravado about single handling?

Not to be insulting...but I REALLY don't get this.
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Best advice is to try it. Either on a day sail in good wind or on a passage where it's just you, 24/7. Don't recommend the latter since you needed to ask the question, but the former will be highly enlightening if, perhaps, costly of you don't know what you're doing. Just leaving dock can be eventful
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Old 07-06-2015, 09:32   #53
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Please enlighten me. Many here LOVE to mention that they "single hand" Well good for you.

Why do people say this all the time? Is it a form of braggadocio or what?

From what little I know, many if not most competent sailors can single hand....so what?

To me, boating, cruising, sailing is something to be shared and enjoyed with friends, family and loved ones. Personally, life is too short to spend alone....esp sleeping alone. IMHO, sailing is OK fun....not super exciting...but is a COMPLETELY different experience with my gal.....makes all the difference in the world. So again...why all the bravado about single handling?

Not to be insulting...but I REALLY don't get this.
as an avid single hander my only words are that you are among the vast majority and are absolutely right. you don't get it.
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Old 07-06-2015, 10:00   #55
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Re: What Is The Big Deal About Single Handling?

While I have known several single handers, two who circumnavigated, my experience has been with short handed cruising. If one of us was disabled, then it would have been singlehanding. Now quite what many are responding to, but it is a good backup option which can happen. Being ABLE to singlehand means survival. Deliberate singlehanding is satisfying, challenging, and for many a real way of life. The fact that one person chooses one way and another chooses a different way, means that each has made choices with which they are comfortable, or if not, by necessity. It is an individual choice and a good skill if needed. By the way, the single handers I have known really like to talk to others after their voyages. I guess it is compensation for their solitude when at sea.
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Re: What Is The Big Deal About Single Handling?

I feel as though everyone who enjoys long passages should make at least one singlehanded. It is enlightening, spiritually enriching and fulfilling on many levels.

The smoken hot mate is very nice. Why do you think they call them singlehanders?
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.... a sunset is just a sunset without someone to share it with....
Uhm, I disagree. I experienced a very loong and spectacular sunset just last June, in an anchorage I had frequented many times over the years, both with family and alone.

The pictures are fantastic for me to review, and my photographs (no videos, I hate those things) are a history of my travels. I love to either put 'em on a loop to follow along, or do shuffle them and recall where they were from as they pop up on my screensaver.
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Re: What Is The Big Deal About Single Handling?

As for me, I love the chance to be part of nature. To listen to nothing except the wind and the waves. After just a few hours sailing, I am completely relaxed. No need for artificial mood altering substances. My wife does not share my passion for sailing so she respects my need to go off my other love, sailing. Its good for both of us. I also love the challenge of having to learn how to do everything myself. I am new to sailing, so learning all these new skills is great exercise for my late 50's brain. I enjoy having passengers too, so it is not just one or the other for most of us.
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I'm not a pilot, but I do singlehand a bit. Actually most of the time. Though only day sailing/ gunkholeing. Even when I have passengers, I still dock and undock single handed. Though mainly as its the only way I know how to do it.

Mind you my little 34' boat is pretty easy to singlehand, due to the low freeboard, and simple rigging. I agree that singlehanding across oceans is completely different from mucking about day to day with gunkholeing/daysails.

Still If something breaks, I know I can fix it and yes, I've even been up the stick a time or two (not my favorite thing)

I fall into that B category of folks that like to be alone. Weird I know. My preference is to enjoy nature. But, I've always been different.
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