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Old 16-10-2015, 08:13   #31
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Oh...sorry. I will be sailing from Florida north east coast to Bahamas and Caribbean then back. I plan to do this during the chilly north Florida winters.

Typically there will be two of us. But on a rare occasion there could be 4 for a week or so as friends/family want to visit.

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Help me by defining the Caribbean and how long are you going to be out? Boat size is also kinda important - how much water capacity do you have?

As Mark said the Bahamas are a bit water short but we managed 2 winters there without a watermaker.

Depending on how you define the Caribbean we know lots of folks who do not have watermakers. and are doing fine.
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Old 16-10-2015, 08:17   #33
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If you do get one, get at least a 5 gph, or larger as you can run your engine a shorter time. = SV Raggedy Ann
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Old 16-10-2015, 08:24   #34
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If you do get one, get at least a 5 gph, or larger as you can run your engine a shorter time. = SV Raggedy Ann

Or size appropriate to the amount of solar capacity you have. We don't run the engine to generate power except in very rare instances, nor do we have a shore power battery charger onboard.


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Old 16-10-2015, 08:32   #35
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We have a Spectra but it is primarily useless to us here on the Gulf coast cruising from our home base, Dauphin Island, AL over to Carrabelle due to the silt and other stuff in the water. The pre-filters clog up quickly. Once we were on our way South in the Gulf and all through out the lower west coast of Florida down to Key West, it worked extremely well. If cruising as you stated above, the water maker should work fine but if going elsewhere coast wise such as the Chesapeake Bay, it just won't get it done without a massive supply of pre-filters.
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Old 16-10-2015, 09:17   #36
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If you have the room and can afford it....GET a water maker. It just makes life onboard that much better. I watch other cruisers hauling Gerry cans full of water from shore to their boat in their dinghies.....it just doesn't look like fun. Whenever my engines or generator are running, I top off my water tank. Everyone is happier.
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Old 16-10-2015, 09:34   #37
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I guess I am in that minority that finds salt water showers or swims are not a bad thing. If you dry yourself after that swim or shower you will not have significant salt on your skin. I have never felt a need to sponge off with fresh water. As for the towels, my experience is that a good shaking gets rid of the dried salt. At least I have never noted any gritty residue on my towels. Water makers are cool to have but are bulky, big power consumers and expensive. They are necessary on on really long cruises but for drinking not showers. Am I wrong in thinking this is more a power boater thing?
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For long term cruising a watermaker is a god send. Otherwise you spend a lot of time ferrying water. (unless cruising in populated areas).
It pays to have a hand held shower nozzle in the cockpit or stern of the boat. You take a dip, wash your hair, then just a quick freshwater rinse using very little water in the cockpit.
If you don't fresh rinse you will feel clammy, damp and crusty....and your towels will never really dry well either. IME.
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With built-in back flushing & pickling, my understanding is that the routine maintenance & expense has improved. But one consideration may be lengthy lay-ups where the boat or the watermaker may not be used for months or more. For example, does the pickling of the expensive high-pressure membrane last indefinitely, or does it have a limited lifespan?
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For example, does the pickling of the expensive high-pressure membrane last indefinitely, or does it have a limited lifespan?
About 6 months, although this could probably realistically be stretched to 9-12 under ideal conditions.

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Am I wrong in thinking this is more a power boater thing?
Yes. In fact, few power boaters we know have water makers because they either have gigantic tanks, or spend a lot of time in marinas.

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I swim every day. Use my deck shower just to rinse off quickly....and keep the salt and sand out of the boat
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Stephan definitely makes some of the best sourdough bread around, but I don't see the connection with water makers in that link.

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Use the search engine to find the watermaker story. They've been writing this fine blog for years as they essentially rebuilt their boat.

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http://sundownersailsagain.com/?s=watermaker&search=Go
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With built-in back flushing & pickling, my understanding is that the routine maintenance & expense has improved. But one consideration may be lengthy lay-ups where the boat or the watermaker may not be used for months or more. For example, does the pickling of the expensive high-pressure membrane last indefinitely, or does it have a limited lifespan?

Good questions. Things have changed over the past ten years in the watermaker world. Pickling a watermaker is very easy, usually just two hoses, a five gallon bucket, turn a valve or two, and start the system. Takes about thirty minutes, twenty of which you'll be sitting and waiting. Though all watermakers use some form of powdered solution to pickle them I have been preaching the use of propylene glycol to pickle a watermaker. Not so long ago the main concern was protecting the membranes. But the reality is now that the membrane/s are the much lesser expensive side of the watermaker. Though the powdered pickling solutions will preserve the membrane they do little to protect the rest of the system and this is more of a concern. Even Pumps, manifolds, pressure intensifiers, and rebuilding or repurchasing these systems due to dried out O-rings and frozen parts are a lot more expensive than a membrane. Propylene glycol does a far better job of protecting the whole system than does the current powdered solutions. My recommendation is to change out the propylene glycol once a year. I have recommissioned many watermakers that have sat pickled in PG for over 3-5 years and they have worked perfectly, but they are the exceptions not always the rule, so once a year if the system is to sit that long is a good rule for PG.


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That is kinda what I need to know. I have stayed on my current boat several times at 7 - 10 days at a time but on fresh water lakes. It was easy to stay clean. So it is the same in salt water it sounds like...good.

Is it the same for clothing. Just rinse in the salt water?

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1. Totally agree with salt water baths. In warm climates I do it and never rinse with fresh.

2. As for WM, I kate the Katadyn 160.
Yes on WM IF you are in good clean salt water most of the time
No if you are coastal cruising most of the time
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