Unfortunate turn!

[seafox]

Been over 40,000 hits on this thread. Nearly as many as the bunfuzzle site!!

[seafox]

I mean bum

[Intentional Drifter]

Southernman -- I will happily take you up on your offer of the Maxsea tracks! I've sent you a PM.

ID

[CSY Man]

Aye, the Bums again...

My hat of to Pat and Ali for doing it, but the danger is that other idiots may see this story as a recepie for taking off across oceans without basic knowledge, common sense or a well prepared vessel.

8 out of 10 may make it succesfully, but if somebody gets killed, or their rescuers dies in an attempt to save the wannabe Bums, it becomes a bum deal indeed.

At least try to do yer home work and try to sail by the rules learned the hard way by others that have gone before ya.

Starting with ignorance and luck is not the right way to circumnavigate the globe, despite the optimistic web blogs and painting the emergency gear grey and getting away with it.

Let it be known to God and to Mankind that I am not jealous of the Bums, and I am not too afraid of leaving my lazy-boy chair to do the same as they did.
My idea of sailing is rather cruising the Bahamas and the Carribbiean and I have been doing it for a number of years on my own boats.

I respect the circumnavigators and their accomplishments and again, I take my hat of to anybody who does it on a small sailboat and especially if it is done with hard work, style and preparation, but perhaps not if they lack the above and instead are bitching about the lack of Pizza Parlors and the lack of natives to splice their lines.

(I don't respect the solo circumnavigators like Dodge Morgan and all those hazard boats: Go fast while sleeping just to set a record or prove their manhood and small penis while putting other mariners at risk and ignoring the rules.)

Young wannabees may think the Bum stuff is cool: Just go, don't listen to the old farts, nothing to it, just go.
The sea however is not as forgiving as they think, or as they want it to be.

I sincerely hope nobody gets hurt from reading the Bumfuzzle story....Yes sailing around is easy, but it is not...

[cchris0411]

I am not going to make any friends making this post..
As a probable younger guy on the board I take direct insult from the trash that is coming out of this posts on these people and can no longer sit on my fingers instead of replying to some of these nasty posts against this couple.
What is with the bashing of the youth?
First of all age does not equivocate experience or knowledge, not now or ever. I respect what I can learn from my elders and what I can learn from people who have made errors or have actual experience in the field that I am looking to absorb information about, but I also am aware of so many people with an opinion who have absolutely no experience or true knowledge who feel that their OPINION is biblical.
It is very easy for people to sit in front of a computer monitor and pass judgement..

When reading through these nasty posts I continue to wait for the typical by-lines
"When I went to school I had to walk five miles barefoot in the snow"
"When I was their age"
"In my day"
"Young people do not have any respect for.."
"Youth is wasted on the youth.."
You all know the horse manure I am getting at here..
What I am truly reading in replies here is ENVY, plain and simple against a younger couple who took the leap based on a dream.
Not everyone does things "your way" or the way that you think is the only way to do things/live life/cruise. This couple likes to laugh at themselves and does not take themselves very seriously, the posts are from a free web site.. ONE MORE TIME "FREE" There is a lot of comical events chronicled and a limited few terrible events. Once again this is a FREE web site that is obviously written well enough that many of you have taken the time to read through it... Can you once again say FREE entertainment..
This couple is looking for something different that you may be looking for in a cruising experience. Not every, in fact not most cruisers who buy high dollar boats do any of their own maintenance.. As well I personally feel better about taking a slip at a secure marina instead of a mooring while I leave my boat and see a little bit more than the local DOCKS.. By the way it does cost actual money to dock in some modern marinas.
Many older cruisers have told me during cocktails about the errors they made while cruising. I have never read in their cruising logs of these errors.

Many of these experienced sailors with five to fifeteen years of FULL TIME live aboards have told me to get rid of the captain I used to hire and just go for it, forget about sailing in a group, simply do your own thing..
If you have been ever cruising the Caribbean you will find at least half the people out there will tell you the same thing, they purchased a boat, a gps and some supplies, a few books and learned on their way.. It is dangerous, but so is driving, walking the streets in a city, and leaving your house every day.

I almost forgot to add that the older cruisers I meet take on an elitist attitude to most younger cruisers and it takes time to eventually gain their trust as cruisers look upon us younger people in general with resentment as we are doing what they wanted to do NOW and not when we are "older and retired"

Whoops did I just generalize, or perhaps take a hit at older sailors... Yes I did and I did it to make a point.
The world is made up of individuals who are all different.
People of my generation are raised by people of "YOUR GENERATION"

I truly hope that no one is hurt by reading the advice that is given out anywhere on this message board they may get the wrong idea and become inspired by what they read and seek out their dreams, perhaps sooner than you are able to.
Every one has an opinion This is mine

[CSY Man]

Uh CC: Did ya respond to my post, or did ya just respond in general to all the "negative" posts?

Not much ENVY in my book, nor am I the older retired kind of "cruiser" you mentioned:

I left dry land at age 14 to work on the domestic ships, and at 17 went International and around the world as a regular sailor. (OS)
Then in my late 20s bought a 44' sailboat and lived and sailed aboard in the Carib.

You are are right, age does not equal stupidity. Even the old farts can act irresponsible and many do and in droves..

Uh, what is yer point again?
Walk barefoot in the snow to school?

Never been to sea have you?
It can be paradise out there, or it can be hell.

The difference between a monkey and a man is that a monkey learns from his own mistakes, whereas a man can learn from other's mistakes.

No bashing of the youth, as long as the youth displays a minimum of common sense.
As should be on an off-shore vessel.

Again, (For the dense minded on this board, you included Mr. CC) I take my hat of to Pat and Ali for doing their thing, I however put my hat back on after reading some of the details.

I almost forgot to add that the older cruisers I meet take on an elitist attitude to most younger cruisers and it takes time to eventually gain their trust as cruisers look upon us younger people in general with resentment as we are doing what they wanted to do NOW and not when we are "older and retired"

Hmm, are you a young "cruiser", or just a young guy with a computer and a loud key board?

If ya are a young cruiser with a minimum of common sense, ya would listen to the older guys with lots of sea miles under their belt: Perhaps ya would learn something and that something could keep ya out of harms way.

If ya are just another big mouth with no sailing experience, then go back and comment on something you know about:

Not anything that holds water on this page I guess.

[Alan Wheeler]

Chris, Unlike you, I have two parts of life. I may be old (in your eyes) but I have also had the benifit of being young. I have been on water most all my life. In fact, I remember falling out of a boat before I remember walking. One thing in my youth that seems to be different now, is respect, or I should say, lack of it. When I was knee high to a grasshoper, I listened to my elders in what they instructed me in every aspect of boating. I did some exciting things as a kid, some things that some much older today have not done. I would not have been able to do those things or if I tried, I may have been killed doing them, without my elders instruction in my life. If young one want to do stupid stuff with no thought to their actions, well that's there problem at the end of the day. Maybe they survive, maybe they dont'.
Am I enviouse of those fuzzles, HELL NO!. I am having as much fun as I can and want in doing what I am right now thankyou very much.
So dude, don't go generilising me or anyone for that matter when you too have absolutley no way of knowing what any one has done, is doing, or is about to do.

[northerncat]

i reckon that the bumfuzzles are great, while not necessarily the motivation behind me building i do think that what they do, the way they do it and the interesting way they write about it is pretty cool and that they dont deserve the trashing they have had on this forum
sean

[northerncat]

i also reckon that rather than write all this trash about them we should set up a poll to see just how the numbers stack up on them. i think the results of such a poll would surprise people
sean

[cchris0411]

I think I will apologize as the post was written as something known as tongue and cheek and not a radical burn, or an attack. The second last paragraph indicated that I was not 100% serious about what I wrote, rather it was to indicate how dangerous generalizing is. The post was not directed at anyone in particular but was rather an over all reply to the 400+ posts on this topic, if you choose to take it as a personal attack then I would suggest you re-read the post. With that said, I am rather surprised and disappointed with the posts from an administrator on this topic.
Every one has an opinion and definitely an ego, some bruise easier than others.. Have a great day!


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[CSY Man]

CC:

What I am truly reading in replies here is ENVY, plain and simple against a younger couple who took the leap based on a dream.

As a probable younger guy on the board I take direct insult from the trash that is coming out of this posts

the post was written as something known as tongue and cheek

Did not see any tongue and cheek in accusing others of being envious, or of calling their post's trash.

if you choose to take it as a personal attack then I would suggest you re-read the post.

Personal attack?
Nah, just did not know who ya were talking to: It may help to specify unless ya are talking to the entire group.

[Alan Wheeler]

Yeah OK OK, all. Lets drop this. It has gone no more than round in circles ever since the first few posts in this 400+ thread. As I have satedt many times within those 400+ threads, I truely truely believe no one can take a fair assumption of a posters intentions within any of those 400+ posts. It is just toooo huge and complex and varied in their and no one can read all of those posts with entire accuracy.
Chris, not hitting at you mate, but if I may use your post, it was a clear example of how something can be written in one sense by the author and taken in a completely different sense by the reader. OK, so maybe there are a few views in that thread that are "strong personal opinions" made by some, and they do have a right to make those opinions as long as they fit our rules, but I believe many of the threads have been taken out of context as to what the author was trying to truly imply.

[unbusted67]

Oh and Wheels, judging by the length of this thread he did send a committee

[CarloTMata]

I arrived here via a link from the Bumfuzzle logs, so, I can start right off saying I am a fan of theirs.

I may have read about half the posts in this tread, and by now, as you know, it is impossible to require reading of all the pages (is not just long, but repetitive).

Zero Sailing experience and barely 3 or 4 day cruises in a 28 foot motorboat of a friend.

IF there is such a thing as a typical cruiser, clearly Pat and Ali are not on that list. But, remember, that is IF THERE IS SUCH A THING AS A TYPICAL CRUISER.

My biggest admiration to Pat and Ali is for their willingness and interest in knowing and meeting locals. For all those whinnings about their pursuit of Pizza, I also clearly remember their experience drinking coffee filtered with the hair of a cow's tail...

Their love and memories for Erithrea and it's people makes me admire their brand of tourism.

I wonder how much longer than their circunavigation will this tread go.

Carlos

[unbusted67]

Damn i was about to say something profound but looks like the ships left the slip...sorry couldn't help myself.

I will wrap this up quick. I do feel as though there is an air not of envy but maybe of resentment. This can only be expected when a whole community based on tradition and knowledge sees someone doing what they have worked so hard to do with no respect for tradition and no knowlege of the craft.

But really what better way is there to learn?