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Old 30-05-2014, 03:48   #451
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OMG, do you not understand he was using it as an illustration, or rather an example of why making all the assumptions are not really helpful?
But 'Assumptions' are a major qualification to be a true CF member...
Else how would I have been 'Rescued' 50miles from Horta this year...
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Yes I guess your rescue will be one of many required for less than qualified seamen, LOL
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Yes I guess your rescue will be one of many required for less than qualified seamen, LOL


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Yes I guess your rescue will be one of many required for less than qualified seamen, LOL
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OMG, do you not understand he was using it as an illustration, or rather an example of why making all the assumptions are not really helpful?
To be honest....No..... That Post rambled on a bit which is why I only quoted the last part and responded to a specifically given scenario.
My point.. All designs have inherant strengths and weaknesses.

Like the racing bit... my comments are not related to this tragic event of which we will probably never know exactly the sad chain of events.
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Well I will say you handled things a lot better than I would have after an unneeded tow/ rescue.
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Re: UK yacht Cheeki Rafiki missing in mid-Atlantic

Pelagic, sorry if my post bothered you for 'rambling', but I wanted to not only indicate why I felt it inappropriate to point fingers based upon speculation, but also to offer to condolences to the families and friends of those who were lost and to offier thanks to those involved in the search.

And yes, while trite it is true that steel boats are better able to withstand collisions with objects/other boats, groundings, etc. That was one of the reasons I previously owned a steel Cartwright 36 Pilothouse Cutter.

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Well I will say you handled things a lot better than I would have after an unneeded tow/ rescue.
You wouldn't say that if you'd seen me in Horta.. I was out for blood for a few days..
But.. its just another funny story in my life now..
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I am trying to find a photo of the bilge (basically the area with the two rows of bolts) of a another 40.7 to compare against a photo of the same area in Cheeki Rafiki that Evans S posted in SA.

Can anyone please share such a photo? Many thanks!

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Brad some of your post I completely agree with but you start out suggesting that we shouldn't speculate but you end up speculating about submerged objects and snap roll capsize. Sounds like you are trying to have your cake and eat it.
Robert, you're not following the meaning of his post. He was not speculating, by the way - he was giving an example.
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Robert, you're not following the meaning of his post. He was not speculating, by the way - he was giving an example.
Good lord, you lot have gone all monastic about "speculation". Why? Brad has won a lot of respectful support for suggesting it is not "helpful". I absolutely disagree. It is very helpful indeed. It allows us, for one thing, to flesh out the parameters of the problem and to focus our attention on the possible problems surrounding the obvious known facts of the matter, of which, contrary to Brad's assertion, there are quite a few.

I really think the "sit back and wait" attitude that Brad and others on this thread are promoting is, itself, what is "not helpful".

Meanwhile, the technically minded over on Sailing Anarchy, have been speculating, in a very expert manner, a whole lot.

e.g.: http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/ind...=157365&page=6

And those of us who have been following have learned a lot along the way. CF - stay in your "respectful indolence" as you wish. I certainly think it quite obviously helps nothing and no one.
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Re: UK yacht Cheeki Rafiki missing in mid-Atlantic

Good photos. Looks like 5 bolts broke due to corrosion/fatigue and 4 remaining pulled out the hull. If its 316 stainless steel then not good enough for this critical area. A bit like rigging failure, crevice corrosion and fatigue from cyclic loading.
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. If its 316 stainless steel then not good enough for this critical area. .
And just what material do you feel should be used?
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Re: UK yacht Cheeki Rafiki missing in mid-Atlantic

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Good lord, you lot have gone all monastic about "speculation". Why? Brad has won a lot of respectful support for suggesting it is not "helpful". I absolutely disagree. It is very helpful indeed. It allows us, for one thing, to flesh out the parameters of the problem and to focus our attention on the possible problems surrounding the obvious known facts of the matter, of which, contrary to Brad's assertion, there are quite a few.

I really think the "sit back and wait" attitude that Brad and others on this thread are promoting is, itself, what is "not helpful".

Meanwhile, the technically minded over on Sailing Anarchy, have been speculating, in a very expert manner, a whole lot.

e.g.: Beneteau 40.7 Cheeki Rafiki missing Mid-Atlantic - Page 6 - Sailing Anarchy - Sailing Anarchy Forums

And those of us who have been following have learned a lot along the way. CF - stay in your "respectful indolence" as you wish. I certainly think it quite obviously helps nothing and no one.
LOL no need for a British inquest, between Sailing Anarchy and CF the mystery will be solved by the armchair sleuths.
LOL, I haven't bothered to look, but have you solved the case of the missing airline flight yet?
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