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Old 20-05-2014, 08:39   #151
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Re: UK yacht Cheeki Rafiki missing in mid-Atlantic

There was a bit of concern as to why the boat was so far north. Sure they are risking worse weather, but it is interesting that they didn't really extend the journey much if their aim was to improve speed by looking for better conditions.

Here is their last position and great circle routes to get them there and the direct route to near Southampton. They were about 350nm NW of the direct route, but the route they took would only have been 3561nm vs 3479nm direct. (Measured on MaxSea). So only 82nm further. That distance requires speeds of more than 2.3% better to give a better vmg. That might be 0.16kt at 7.0kt. Very much worth a detour for if you judge the conditions to be safe.

From the pilot charts I note this area is actually at the limit of icebergs in May. Also, this location puts them firmly in the easterly flow of the gulfstream.
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Old 20-05-2014, 08:40   #152
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Re: UK yacht Cheeki Rafiki missing in mid-Atlantic

Hi All

just in case you want to show your support in the effort in keep searching for the crew

https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitio...tstopsearching
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Old 20-05-2014, 08:42   #153
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2. A life raft, EPIRB, or survival suit suit stored below deck? Pointless in a sudden event situation.
Most yachts would keep their liferaft on deck, either at the transom, in the cockpit, or on the foredeck in a bracket. Some yachts have hydrostatic releases fitted, which ensure that the raft deploys automatically if the boat suddenly sinks or capsizes. Someone must know if Cheeki Rafiki had a hydrostatic release, and where their life raft was installed. If they did lose their keel and capsize suddenly, you would hope the liferaft had deployed and remained tethered to the boat (there is a line specifically for that purpose). Then the crewmembers could abandon to the raft.
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Old 20-05-2014, 08:54   #154
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Jeez! Can't believe there are not more photos or more verification required than found "overturned hull".
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We only saw one photo. Doesnt mean others were not taken

There is a paucity of information released to the public regarding this situation. It does not mean or infer ANYTHING nefarious.

It just means they probably have nothing concrete to state, but it does not mean that a continuous flow of information is lacking........... just nothing that is of use to the public except the news that all want to hear, a finding of a liferaft and all aboard.

I know each member of a rescue search takes the job seriously and works harder than any other profession I know. It becomes personal. Even the guy who called off the search is probably examining his soul for a reason to continue in the face of information and fact analysis that has been built up over years.

The aircraft sent will be gridding the area based on seastate, wind and probability. If ANYTHING is there, with satellite help and visual observation, they should find it.

The satellites have been observing the area non stop in the absence of human presence......
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Report just coming in.. USCG say a plane is enroute to the search area..
Now just gotta hope its not just a token flight..
Looks like a long way to the search area and a long way back. Wonder how much time they can actually spend there? Hoping for a positive outcome.
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5. I am absolutely shocked that even the best EPIRBS available on the market today only last 48-72 hours. PLB's even less. That is unbelievable to me. Can someone tell me why an EPIRB cannot be manufactured with a battery able to transmit a signal for weeks not hours. Its 2014 AD for crying out loud.
My thoughts only.
Until recently the manufacturers made a lot of money replacing batteries and so made it hard for the user to change his own batteries. (Rather a hypocrisy when promoting safety products that were not as safe as they should have been). Now that EPIRBS are much cheaper the manufacturers won't be selling so many replacement batteries - people just buy a new unit.

When replacing the EPRIRB it is now possible to get one with user changeable batteries and keep a spare vacuum packed set with it. Maybe best is to get two EPIRBS, one packed with the liferaft and one with the boat. The second battery pack could be used 2 hours on 2 off. Should last a week set up that way instead of 2 days. With life-jacket activated PLBs further bases are covered.
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At last!! Well done to all petitioners...100,000 and counting for forcing the USCG's hand..
US Coastguard to resume search within the hour | Meridian - ITV News
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There was a bit of concern as to why the boat was so far north. Sure they are risking worse weather, but it is interesting that they didn't really extend the journey much if their aim was to improve speed by looking for better conditions.

Here is their last position and great circle routes to get them there and the direct route to near Southampton. They were about 350nm NW of the direct route, but the route they took would only have been 3561nm vs 3479nm direct. (Measured on MaxSea). So only 82nm further. That distance requires speeds of more than 2.3% better to give a better vmg. That might be 0.16kt at 7.0kt. Very much worth a detour for if you judge the conditions to be safe.

From the pilot charts I note this area is actually at the limit of icebergs in May. Also, this location puts them firmly in the easterly flow of the gulfstream.

Even the greats circle route is too far north at this time of year IMHO. If you'd don't get hammered of the NE east of the Anericam continent , you can get hammered on the western approaches.

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Re: UK yacht Cheeki Rafiki missing in mid-Atlantic

So, where were the Brit rescue teams in any of this BTW? Just asking.
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Hi Mike
We only saw one photo. Doesnt mean others were not taken

There is a paucity of information released to the public regarding this situation. It does not mean or infer ANYTHING nefarious.

It just means they probably have nothing concrete to state, but it does not mean that a continuous flow of information is lacking........... just nothing that is of use to the public except the news that all want to hear, a finding of a liferaft and all aboard.

I know each member of a rescue search takes the job seriously and works harder than any other profession I know. It becomes personal. Even the guy who called off the search is probably examining his soul for a reason to continue in the face of information and fact analysis that has been built up over years.

The aircraft sent will be gridding the area based on seastate, wind and probability. If ANYTHING is there, with satellite help and visual observation, they should find it.

The satellites have been observing the area non stop in the absence of human presence......
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I agree with what you say. There may be more info the authorities have than they are publishing. I agree there is nothing nefarious about that. But, if they have identified the overturned hull as that of Cheeki Rafiki how hard is it to say "We have identified the over turned hull as that of the Cheeki Rakfiki." Ok done! Not just say found "overturned hull". Either it is or it isn't or it's just an assumption on their part. Why is so hard to tell the public what they actually know or don't know!

IMO they should also be publishing more facts not less. Things like lat and lon location of the hull as well as the PIRB locations. Maybe even plots of where they think a life raft or persons may have drifted to etc...There could be other boats and ships plying those areas who may then keep an even sharper look out for a raft, debris etc... More eyeballs looking the better IMO not just only relying on the SAR crews to affect a positive outcome. I would never be critical of the work the Coast Guard and SAR crews do. It just seems the public relations department could do a better job with releasing the information and what is known or not known. So that others who may be in the area could have a heads up and maybe help in the search.
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So, where were the Brit rescue teams in any of this BTW? Just asking.
They are checking the bars looking for Boatman61. They need someone who knows the waters out there.
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I've been suggesting that folks on this forum consider buying a gumby suit for some time. Considering the cost of a liferaft and inspections, they are dirt cheap. I got mine used on Craigslist. They usually run about $150, and are an item which has generally never been used. Fishermen are required to buy them, and often sell when they quit fishing. There are always several on Seattle CL around this price range. I even got two kids models used on CL, as well as two adult models, all for around $500. Much much less than the liferaft and inspection, and at least as likely to save your life. All Alaskan fishermen practice putting on their Gumby suits fast. This incident certainly seems to reinforce that.


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Certainly not the cheap version, but a promising development in immersion suit technology: http://http://www.oceannavigator.com/May-June-2014/Survival-suit/
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So, where were the Brit rescue teams in any of this BTW? Just asking.
I am from the UK and I would really like the UK Gov to fully support
this search in terms of assets just not by words.
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The search resumed today. U.S. Coast Guard Resumes High Seas Search for Missing Sailors - gCaptain Maritime & Offshore News
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So, where were the Brit rescue teams in any of this BTW? Just asking.
Erm, well the RAF scrapped all the Nimrods


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We do have some sentinels, but we sent one to Nigeria to look for some kids, and the others well they are tracking Russian subs on their way to the US Eastern seaboard.
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