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Old 11-09-2013, 07:08   #391
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Totally agree and it's a shame.
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Yeah Yeahh Spithill,,, the crew dont work, the trimmer is wrong, the grinders are lazy! i think you see now clear the wolf ears!!! Go TNZ!!!
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It's been that way for years with all the teams. It's called professional sports. There was an American Ed Baird Skippering Alinghi for Switzerland in 2007, and other American Terry Hutchinson as Tactician on ETNZ's boat in 2007.
I hear you but they could implement a rule where at least 80% of the crew (especially the skipper) has to be from the country the boat is representing - that way each team would be entitled to 3 mercenaries if they want/need them. I could live with that.
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Old 11-09-2013, 08:30   #394
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Yeah Yeahh Spithill,,, the crew dont work, the trimmer is wrong, the grinders are lazy! i think you see now clear the wolf ears!!! Go TNZ!!!
Spithill's awesome and is not complaining. Spithill quote in case you missed it:

Spithill added that sail changes and crew changes were on the table. Asked if he was concerned about his job, he said: "You can be a rooster one day and a feather duster the next day."
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I hear you but they could implement a rule where at least 80% of the crew (especially the skipper) has to be from the country the boat is representing - that way each team would be entitled to 3 mercenaries if they want/need them. I could live with that.
If ETNZ wins that may happen. Plus we may see some racing in big seas...........
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We may get a hell of a sailing show tomorrow.

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Yeah, I darn sure hope the rooster shows up!
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I'm still singing the same tune:

Oracle's boat speed and pointing ability are fine...........

You saw the start. Spithill did what Spithill does and won that. They did fine at the first mark, but for some reason, decided to stop the boat at the 2nd mark. To wait on the competition?

I assumed that with a multimillion dollar catamaran and racing operation (or billion, gazillion dollar whichever) they would have better racing tactics than a veteran Hobie 16 sailor with a $6,000 used boat.

Also, the announcers were of the same mind. They were like "what are they doing?"

They again went away from the tactics they used to win race 4 to some sort of monohull racing tactic which would have been fine on a boat that tops out at 12 knots and tacks fast.

Maybe they spent too many years on the slow boats to adjust.

I'm not seeing a true catamaran guy on Team USA. Team ENZ has small racing catamaran champion sailor Glen Ashby on board. I'm thinking Team USA should have a Randy Smyth, Matt Struble, or a Kenny Pierce on board. (or) At least on the training boat.

Btw, Glen Ashby sails an A Class Catamaran. The weight of the boat is 165lbs.
You're giving yourself too much credit and them not enough. They have been sailing that boat for months and they are all the tops in the game.
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You're giving yourself too much credit and them not enough. They have been sailing that boat for months and they are all the tops in the game.
I'm not giving myself credit for anything, but I am pointing out that they, Team Oracle USA, may want to use more catamaran racing tactics like ETNZ is doing. (and) maybe even get some input from some true catamaran sailors again like ETNZ.

The key word here is tactics.........not knowledge of the boat.
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Anyone notice how cramped and small are the grinders position in Oracle? hard to work together in such a small hole.... Tnz seems more open space and natural at the grinders... we see....
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The key word here is tactics.........not knowledge of the boat.
I don't think so. To tack out toward Angel Island was the right call, it was just poorly executed. Kostecki apparently thought they could foil through it but they could not. I bet TNZ could have. I don't think you can equate racing Hobbies with 72 ft foiling cats.
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GO KIWIS.........

Oracle has received significantly more attention, applause and praise (collective sizzle) than ENZ including online sailing forums
Yet look at the bottom line results - only 1 race won & 1 postponement For OUSA
skipper Jimmy Spithill explained: “We're going back to regroup,” - HUH?????

ENZ - they know how to sail too.

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I don't think so. To tack out toward Angel Island was the right call, it was just poorly executed. Kostecki apparently thought they could foil through it but they could not. I bet TNZ could have. I don't think you can equate racing Hobbies with 72 ft foiling cats.
It was the right call, but they did it too close to the mark which caused them to slow down too much.

One turn at a time. They should have rounded the mark, got back up to speed, then tacked. (like they did in race 4)

And yes, you can equate racing Hobies to 72' foiling catamarans which is why both teams have benefited from training by Glen Ashby. He's an A Class Catamaran Racing Champion and ETNZ Wing Trimmer.

An A Class Catamaran is 18' long and weighs 165lbs.

And btw, the newer small catamarans (17'-20') with spinnakers can hit speeds of 25 knots plus to give you an idea. And very few of them are Hobies........

http://alamedawaterfront.com/news/em...dden-advantage

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ENZ - they know how to sail too.
Yep, ETNZ pretty much has the same crew that almost won the Americas Cup in 2007 with Barker still on the helm.

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Yep, ETNZ pretty much has the same crew that almost won the Americas Cup in 2007 with Barker still on the helm.
Ah, the good 'ol days........video brought a tear to my eyes

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Ah, the good 'ol days........video brought a tear to my eyes

GO KIWIS
If that's the case, maybe you saw that awesome move Dean Barker and Terry Hutchinson pulled possibly in race 2 in 2007.

They were battling upwind, Alinghi and ETNZ. Tacking and meeting repeatedly in the center of the course, then tacking back as they met.

ETNZ on the left and Alinghi on the right.

Up the course aways, there was a slight shift of the wind on the left side. When ETNZ tacked they went a bit lower than they needed to and when they met Alinghi, they didn't tack when Alinghi did but came up hard on the wind and held on the same tack as Alinghi.

Everyone from Tactician Brad Butterworth on Alinghi to the announcers were stunned. ETNZ held to round the upwind mark first.
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