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Old 18-05-2015, 09:59   #16
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Re: Tru fuel

ETH, or ethanol has indeed been around for a very long time as a motor fuel, I believe the Model T was designed to use it, but gasoline was more available, cheaper and had a higher output so it became the fuel of choice.
ETH was popular in the 70's as "Gasahol" for a short while, but usually ETH is not used much in blending fuel as it's much more expensive than gasoline, but the last few years it has come back into use, either from farm lobbyist, or clean air advocates, or both, I have no idea. Many states have laws requiring it to be in the fuel.

But to pretend that it doesn't cause problems, particularly in boating is foolish. There are far too many well documented issues with ETH to pretend it has no effect.
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Documented proof please
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And just to inform everyone the alcohol you drink is ethanol and I can make it on my boat just not in sufficient quantity to fuel it
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My new lawnmower (Briggs & Stratton) says to expect problems with E10, and don't even think about E15 or higher
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My new lawnmower (Briggs & Stratton) says to expect problems with E10, and don't even think about E15 or higher

That wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that B&S market canned ethanol free fuel for about $20/gal? They could give away the lawn mowers and just sell proprietary fuel at those prices.

If a company can't make a small engine that runs well on E10/15 in 2015 they need better engineers.

For the record, I think Ethanol in gasoline is a scam. It does much more environmental harm than good. It should be banned IMO.
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Re: Tru fuel

Here in CA, there is 5 or 10% ethanol in the pump gas, I run it in all of my street cars with no problems.

I know a lot of guys running high hp, high boost engines that have switched from race gas at $15/gal to E85 at $2.35 a gal. They consume about 20% more per mile than they did, but they also picked up an extra 100hp at the bottom end (where they used to have to retard the timing.) Now their timing is advanced a bit more and they're making 900hp out of a Subaru engine, 1400-1800hp out of LS based engines, usually 441ci strokers.
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So if I run straight ethanol in my 8hp tohatsu/10ft RIB I could pull waterskiers?
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Documented proof please
Well not documented, but ...........

I got some ethanol free gas October last year for my outboard. That gas sat in the outboard till end of April without the motor being started and it fired right up and ran fine.
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Well, I think we can all agree that fuel for boats and fuel for race cars & trucks, automobiles, aircraft, and anything else can have totally different requirements due to proximity to water, humidity, and longer storage conditions. Maybe we expect our engines to last longer, and not be rebuilt between uses, either.

And yes, I do believe the requirement for ethanol right now is a scam. The ethanol lobby is strong for subsidies for farmers to grow corn for fuel instead of cattle food, the original idea was fuel independence from the middle east.
Now we are stuck with crappy fuel, poorer mileage and higher food prices.
Meanwhile, the roads & bridges are crumbling because the politicians don't have the spine to fix the highway trust fund.

Anyone else see 60 minutes last night?
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Well not documented, but ...........

I got some ethanol free gas October last year for my outboard. That gas sat in the outboard till end of April without the motor being started and it fired right up and ran fine.
I used gas with 10% ethanol last Sunday in my 8 HP tohatsu that was over a year old stored on the boat no issues. Started on the third pull when cold just like it always did
Also the ethanol is carbon neutral fuel so not harmful to environment
When properly burned produces water and co2 not carbon monoxide
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So if I run straight ethanol in my 8hp tohatsu/10ft RIB I could pull waterskiers?
Well, if you swapped to larger injectors, added a turbo and retuned it...




probably not. Sorry!
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How about Nitrous??
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[QUOTE=newhaul;1827898
Also the ethanol is carbon neutral fuel so not harmful to environment
When properly burned produces water and co2 not carbon monoxide[/QUOTE]

really Is that like electric cars not causing any pollution because they get that electricity by magic

You asked for documentation, I told you my experience. My last outboard needed gas no older than 1 month old made from crude oil no older than 2 million years old or it fouled up. But regardless I'm not going out of my way to not buy the ethanol scam gas that is good for the corn growers and bad for tortilla eaters gas.
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Actually here in the pnw we are a carbon neutral electric state all our electricity comes from wind and hydroelectric plants not coal or nuke.
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But regardless I'm not going out of my way to not buy the ethanol scam gas that is good for the corn growers and bad for tortilla eaters gas.
And that is the truth of it.

Sail Delmarva: Al Gore and ethanol--So, now it's not a good thing, now that I'm out of politics?
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