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Old 24-12-2015, 22:38   #121
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Re: Tragedy Strikes.

I, too, wish Gil the best in getting
back together with his boat.

This seems to be a case where having
a Spot type tracking device left on the boat
would be good. Do people generally
carry them to shore or leave them on
their boats?

While I'm drifting this thread (hey, maybe just
like Dagny?) I'd like to address the suggestion
that someone could throw a line over a
dragged-anchored boat and claim "salvage."
How far must the boat drag? Meters? Miles?
Would the cause of the drag matter? I think
if the owner is doing everything they possibly
could to recover their boat, should it really
be a race where the first one there wins?

Those who would argue re: too small an
anchor: There was a thread where someone
said their fancy anchor hit something like a
plastic bucket rendering it set just enough
to hold until it didn't. Stuff happens. Should
Gil really have to "learn his lesson"?

If it gets as far as Admiralty law, one hopes the
verdict would be reasonable.
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Old 24-12-2015, 23:05   #122
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Re: Tragedy Strikes.

I'm surprised it's still being talked about as a 'drift', when I would surely think by now it's a theft and need to cast the net wider, get pictures out asap. Poor OP must be beside himself.
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Old 24-12-2015, 23:21   #123
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I'm surprised it's still being talked about as a 'drift', when I would surely think it's a theft and need to cast the net wider, get pictures out asap.
What evidence do you have that makes you think it was a theft?
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Old 24-12-2015, 23:36   #124
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What evidence do you have that makes you think it was a theft?
'Evidence' that's funny

I'm just very surprised it's disappeard and travelled so far in such a short period of time. A 'drift' I would have thought it would be pretty close after an hour and a half.
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Old 24-12-2015, 23:47   #125
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'Evidence' that's funny

I'm just very surprised it's disappeard and travelled so far in such a short period of time. A 'drift' I would have thought it would be pretty close after an hour and a half.
According to other posters, the normal current in that area is 3-5kts, which is pretty fast. Another poster made a guesstimate of where he thought it would be based on drift, and the USCG sighting was apparently pretty close to his guesstimate, based on his follow up post.

Some of the posters stated that there's a thin layer of sand on top of a smooth rock layer in that spot, coupled with a 20 lb anchor, I didn't see anyone expressing surprise that it drifted. I'm no expert on that area, so I'm just going by what others are posting.
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Old 24-12-2015, 23:55   #126
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According to other posters, the normal current in that area is 3-5kts, which is pretty fast. Another poster made a guesstimate of where he thought it would be based on drift, and the USCG sighting was apparently pretty close to his guesstimate, based on his follow up post.

Some of the posters stated that there's a thin layer of sand on top of a smooth rock layer in that spot, coupled with a 20 lb anchor, I didn't see anyone expressing surprise that it drifted. I'm no expert on that area, so I'm just going by what others are posting.
Well, I hope their right, and I hope they find it soon.
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Old 25-12-2015, 00:12   #127
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Re: Tragedy Strikes.

Hi Gil!

Doesn't Bahamas have a surface surveillance radar system?

If so, all traffic is logged and it should be possible to extract information about the track of your boat from the records.
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Old 25-12-2015, 00:15   #128
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I, too, wish Gil the best in getting
back together with his boat.

This seems to be a case where having
a Spot type tracking device left on the boat
would be good. Do people generally
carry them to shore or leave them on
their boats?

While I'm drifting this thread (hey, maybe just
like Dagny?) I'd like to address the suggestion
that someone could throw a line over a
dragged-anchored boat and claim "salvage."
How far must the boat drag? Meters? Miles?
Would the cause of the drag matter? I think
if the owner is doing everything they possibly
could to recover their boat, should it really
be a race where the first one there wins?

Those who would argue re: too small an
anchor: There was a thread where someone
said their fancy anchor hit something like a
plastic bucket rendering it set just enough
to hold until it didn't. Stuff happens. Should
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If it gets as far as Admiralty law, one hopes the
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Old 25-12-2015, 04:05   #129
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Re: Tragedy Strikes.

Greetings and welcome aboard the CF, Karpet.
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Old 25-12-2015, 04:06   #130
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Re: Tragedy Strikes.

Well it's first light on Christmas morning now and let's hope for a positive outcome. To all who are in the spirit why not send someone who is truly in need a few dollars through paypal. Take a moment and think about it, If you had just lost your boat and all your worldly goods wouldn't it be a wonderful reaffirmation in faith and hope if strangers reached out to help.
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Re: Tragedy Strikes.

The idea with the light aircraft seems like an idea.
Maybe the forum is the Force to track someone down who has one in the Bahamas and could help?

Gil, bonne chance!!!!

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Well it's first light on Christmas morning now and let's hope for a positive outcome. To all who are in the spirit why not send someone who is truly in need a few dollars through paypal. Take a moment and think about it, If you had just lost your boat and all your worldly goods wouldn't it be a wonderful reaffirmation in faith and hope if strangers reached out to help.
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Re: Tragedy Strikes.

Grim news that they didn't find it yesterday. The search area expands geometrically with time. I hope Gil can wrangle a plane for the day. Fingers crossed for a miracle!
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Hope we hear today. To the couple of critical posters mentioning all the lessons to be learned, I say onto you: Be quiet. The guy is in a very seaworthy small boat, not an ebay bargain, to I didn't read his blog. And his primary anchor was a 35# MANTUS! + 40' + 250'. Sounds very well prepared to me! Indeed, overkill, some might say, and his "spare" is a 20# CQR. Plenty of anchor when set. He has a diesel and a vane.

Who among us hasn't had an anchor drag? If you haven't, you have not run into thin sand over a baby-butt-smooth titanium monolith that underlies the entire region. Only a kryptonite-tipped anchor will do it. My experience, over many years, is that you must dive on yer anchor. I have many times had to move it around with snorkel to find a deeper sandy spot.

The kid sailed almost a full day across the Gulf Stream. Let's be honest here: Raise your hands if you know some ultra-cautious folks who wait weeks in Fl to make that same sail. And not solo either. And with buddy boats chattering back and forth ... yakitty yak ... it takes the scare out of scary I guess.

Let's all hope this ends successfully on this Day Of Festivus, for the rest of us. Gonna be 76░ here today. Dang! I hate winter.
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Only a kryptonite-tipped anchor will do it.
Good name for an anchor! "Rocna Kryptonite".
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