Originally Posted by Coops
Neither should he have to. Either of those.
Unless of course it is not a free country.
Nobody even suggested he HAD to leave, but it just seems like the common sense thing to do since he obviously has disdain for the US, and nobody likes a houseguest who's constantly complaining about the housekeeping or the manner in which the owner earns the money
to pay the mortgage or the quality of the food
at the dinner table or how the owner gets along with his neighbors. Wouldn't it make more sense for him to just stay home where he can do exactly as he wishes, or if he insists on imposing himself on others, maybe go visit the house down the street where all these things are done more to his liking?
And since he's from the UK, whenever he feels the urge to be critical of the US willingness to "fight with all others," he should perhaps review his mid 20th century history
and realize that willingness is one large reason why he had the privilege
of growing up speaking English
as his first language, something for him to be thankful for tomorrow....
But in an attempt to get this discussion back to tipping...... clearly different tipping traditions exist in different cultures and countries and we all think OUR way is best but it seems appropriate to me to conform to as many as possible of the local customs wherever you are without passing judgment on them, including customs relating to how you pay for services. When in Rome....
In some places, service employees are paid 100% by the employer and you are charged accordingly, and in other places service employees are paid partially by the employer and partially paid directly from those who receive the service in the form of tips. In areas such as the US, where tipping often makes up a big part of service employees pay, OF COURSE the service employee wants you to feel obligated to tip a lot. That's only human nature, who doesn't think they deserve a pay raise and wouldn't like for their "bosses" to agree and respond accordingly? But no matter what the service giver seems to expect, if YOU don't feel like the service rendered was particularly helpful or didn't meet your expectations, you have the option of adjusting your tip accordingly or not tipping at all. I do that all the time and am aware that sometimes my tips exceed expectations and sometimes are less than what the tippee probably expects, oh well. I personally think that makes more sense than the employer strong arming you for the tip in the form of higher prices and then giving it to his employees whether or not they were actually helpful to you or not. But when I travel to places where that's the custom, I certainly don't waste any time worrying about it or being critical of local customs.
I do think that in the US, recently many employees in areas of employment
where nobody used to expect tips have tried to jump on the tipping bandwagon by posting
signs saying that "tipping is appreciated" even though they are providing you no special service and they are being paid the full amount of what their function is worth by their employer. I tend to disregard those signs unless I feel like someone has actually done something "above and beyond" to be helpful to me. An example of this is hotel
van drivers who don't even get out of their seat to help you with your bag or to open the door, and drive in such a way that you feel fortunate to get to the hotel
alive. On the other hand, if you're a little old lady with a large, heavy piece of luggage and the driver gets out and helps you stow it, and courteously helps you up into the van, then perhaps a tip would be appropriate. Another example is dock
boys who don't do anything you find useful or even get in your way.
Of course it's human nature to be biased in favor of what we are most accustomed to, but I really don't see it as a very difficult problem to quickly determine what local practice is and do our best to honor that, wherever we may go.