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Old 05-05-2012, 02:43   #91
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That really cracked me up. Often think the same thing when we get a rush of keyboard gunslingers here LMAO
Gotta admit it made me laugh as well, the gunslingers on this forum been watching too many Rambo movies.
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what would you do if you were starving and had access to military firearms? the threat of death is only a threat if you aren't dying.

seems logical to me that we'd be more likely to end piracy with food and supporting the local government than occasionally obliterating a few of them.

its a war that can't be won without a near invasion force of patrolling ships, if people are starving, replacement pirates will come. what purpose does it serve to do this?
So sweetly naive... you really don't get the big picture here do you?

You can't just band aid the symptoms, you have to cure the fundamental disease.

You get nowhere unless you take out the warlords/godfathers who will keep the peasants/pawns poor and hungry because it's their 'business model'.

It's the same 'morality base' as our big business with the same level of ethics. Big drug companies make little out of curing people, they make money out of making them dependent. The fat industry would self distruct if they got everybody thin. They even get smart enough to have an each way bet, like Nestle buying Jenny Craig.
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I heard you guys have just had elections.... Hope you got a seat
All that was in a country far to the north of us - of which we know little. and care even less .

My only surprise is that so many of them (around 30%) could manage to write an X.

FWIW, even I am glad that I don't live in a world run by me ......and I did once have a delegation turn up at my home asking me to run for Public Office. turned into a pub crawl.......
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As they say .... "It is a foolish bird that soils its own nest" ...and we would never want to do that.
That's true, the smart bird drops that load on someone's boat!
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So sweetly naive... you really don't get the big picture here do you?

You can't just band aid the symptoms, you have to cure the fundamental disease.

You get nowhere unless you take out the warlords/godfathers who will keep the peasants/pawns poor and hungry because it's their 'business model'.

It's the same 'morality base' as our big business with the same level of ethics. Big drug companies make little out of curing people, they make money out of making them dependent. The fat industry would self distruct if they got everybody thin. They even get smart enough to have an each way bet, like Nestle buying Jenny Craig.
I'm with you on the warlord/godfather part, but the rest sounds like you been reading too many conspiracy novels.
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I'm with you on the warlord/godfather part, but the rest sounds like you been reading too many conspiracy novels.

Nestle buying Jenny Craig? It's how Mickey D did it. The salt on the fries has always contained a molecule of cocaine, just like the secret sauce. Now, Nestles will be adding a tad of chocolate to the prepared meals. It's a never-ending cycle. The circle of obesity: uber-high health costs, disability, and death.

They don't have these problems in emerging countries like Somalia. The pirates are arguably noble leaders of a nation struggling for its place in the sun.

Since there seems to be world-wide disapproval of weaponry, perhaps we should shower Somali pirates with condoms and birth control pills.
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Nestle buying Jenny Craig? It's how Mickey D did it. The salt on the fries has always contained a molecule of cocaine, just like the secret sauce. Now, Nestles will be adding a tad of chocolate to the prepared meals. It's a never-ending cycle. The circle of obesity: uber-high health costs, disability, and death.
I understand the Chinese own Nestle so there maybe something to this. All part of the global takeover.
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Gee I hope everyone is jokeing as much as I was !! This is getting to far out even for me LOLOLOL But I did like the head shot with the flare gun !!
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Finally the adults arrive on this thread. Anyone who thinks that shooting a few poor pirates will make any difference is nuts. The alternative for them is to watch their families starve, an easy decision to make for most. And the people who would get shot are making almost no money, in the main they are just kids who work for the real criminals higher up in the org, same as any military or other criminal orginisation in the world. Shooting a few of them will just up the ante and cause more violence, there are a thousand replacements standing by for each one of them. And the people who are really responsible arent headed out to sea in little boats to risk their asses, thats not how it works. It would actually be much cheaper to try a humanitarian approach in that part of the world than a military, and those who are suggesting we have been doing so for a long time to no effect are just wrong. Private charities and the UN have pumped in much aid, but without military backing it all just gets taken by whichever warlord is in power at the moment. The african union offered to send troops to safegaurd aid shipments and were mostly turned down for political reasons. And we all know the real reasons that many governments desire instability in the region-oil. Funny that the janjaweed and other elements of terror and instability in the region come from OPEC nations. Libya is bad enough for them but if all of north africa was opened up for oil exploitation they would lose billions and the price of gas would drop overnight. The same reason Saddam had to go, not so we could get the oil but to make sure no one could get it and keep prices high. Somalia has been a lawless nation for so long because thats how the powers that be want it, and its likely to stay that way whether a few hungry young somali kids on boats get shot or not. Its a huge lawless nation with a population of millions, you're not solving the problem that easily.
I hardly think that accusing posters who advocate a call to arms of being childish is accurate or appropriate. I assume your perspective the only adult one?

You yourself admitted humanitarian aid has failed due to an unstable political climate, and that the "powers that be" will ensure it stays that way. So what would you have us do? Sit idly by and let the pirates have their way with us as we continue blithely on with a failed strategy?

I feel as sympathetic towards the Somalians as anyone, but if one were to attack my family, and I had the capability, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to blow his ass away. I see no reason why a ship's crew should be forced to offer themselves up as a hostage because a few highly vocal, left wing radicals naively believe that if the somalians just had enough to eat, they would live in this world with peace and loving kindness. Nice thought but not very realistic.

While I can see how taking a pacifist approach to piracy would save a few pirate lives (at the expense of a few of our own lives), and your political correctness is certainly praiseworthy although a bit idealistic, I think it's high time we take a more pragmatic approach. I want and expect my government to ensure safe passage for all. If that means we hurt the Somalis even more than we have already, then so be it. I'm sure we'd have no trouble completely destroying their ability to go to sea.

Your claim that that shooting a few pirates as a solution is nuts, is nuts itself! Of course it would make a difference. Shoot every and any pirate-like boat that comes within 1000 feet of a ship and in very short order, word gets around, no one dares approach a ship, and PRESTO! piracy ceases to exist.

Maybe a combination of humanitarian aid, and wholesale slaughter of pirates would be incentive enough for them to stop their pirating ways? Either way, humanitarian aid by itself won't do a damn thing.
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....I want and expect my government to ensure safe passage for all. ...
You want a Navy escort while you sail your 28 footer around the Horn of Africa and up the Red Sea? A bit unrealistic don't you think?

Your government can't even ensure you safe passage down an Anacostia street at night.
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Just as I commented on earlier.
One guy with a "low" powered rifle firing warning shots.
game over.
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Finally the adults arrive on this thread. Anyone who thinks that shooting a few poor pirates will make any difference is nuts.


VB: "Your claim that that shooting a few pirates as a solution is nuts, is nuts itself! Of course it would make a difference. Shoot every and any pirate-like boat that comes within 1000 feet of a ship and in very short order, word gets around, no one dares approach a ship, and PRESTO! piracy ceases to exist."


As one of the few adults on this thread, I find VB's argument persuasive.
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You want a Navy escort while you sail your 28 footer around the Horn of Africa and up the Red Sea? A bit unrealistic don't you think?

Your government can't even ensure you safe passage down an Anacostia street at night.

Well, unrealistic in that the Wetsail is so slow. You'll soon have to own a large fast cat to cruise the Mallaca Straits and up around the Horn if you want a naval escort.
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You want a Navy escort while you sail your 28 footer around the Horn of Africa and up the Red Sea? A bit unrealistic don't you think?
Nope. I want that escort to destroy the Somalian's ability to go to sea. Drone strike the pirate leaders and land bases, take aggressive action against the mother ships, and create laws that allow yachts and commercial vessels to arm themselves sufficiently to repel an attack.

My point is, that sending the Somalians a few bags of seed corn and a few medical supplies is not going to cause them to walk away from a billion dollar pirate enterprise. Only armed conflict can end this.
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I hardly think that accusing posters who advocate a call to arms of being childish is accurate or appropriate. I assume your perspective the only adult one?

You yourself admitted humanitarian aid has failed due to an unstable political climate, and that the "powers that be" will ensure it stays that way. So what would you have us do? Sit idly by and let the pirates have their way with us as we continue blithely on with a failed strategy?

I feel as sympathetic towards the Somalians as anyone, but if one were to attack my family, and I had the capability, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to blow his ass away. I see no reason why a ship's crew should be forced to offer themselves up as a hostage because a few highly vocal, left wing radicals naively believe that if the somalians just had enough to eat, they would live in this world with peace and loving kindness. Nice thought but not very realistic.

While I can see how taking a pacifist approach to piracy would save a few pirate lives (at the expense of a few of our own lives), and your political correctness is certainly praiseworthy although a bit idealistic, I think it's high time we take a more pragmatic approach. I want and expect my government to ensure safe passage for all. If that means we hurt the Somalis even more than we have already, then so be it. I'm sure we'd have no trouble completely destroying their ability to go to sea.

Your claim that that shooting a few pirates as a solution is nuts, is nuts itself! Of course it would make a difference. Shoot every and any pirate-like boat that comes within 1000 feet of a ship and in very short order, word gets around, no one dares approach a ship, and PRESTO! piracy ceases to exist.

Maybe a combination of humanitarian aid, and wholesale slaughter of pirates would be incentive enough for them to stop their pirating ways? Either way, humanitarian aid by itself won't do a damn thing.
VB, that's what I said but you said it more eloquently , well written.
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