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Leave it for the fishermen or locals to strip the boat. 14 29.79%
Head back to port and try to contact the owners and decide the way forward. 21 44.68%
Radio a passing powerboat for a tow off the reef. Sort out salvage agreement when in port. 6 12.77%
Spend a day removing items of use and value from the boat. 6 12.77%
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Old 13-04-2014, 16:45   #16
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Re: The 'Salvage' poll

Actually, ask yourself: Is my boat so un prepared that I have to be tempted to steal? If so I must be unprepared and unfit.
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Old 13-04-2014, 17:36   #17
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Re: The 'Salvage' poll

On a coral reef, possibly in a protected marine sanctuary?

Wouldn't go near the thing! Too much liability.

On rocks or adrift? I have in the past and would in the future remove the vessel from immediate peril and file a proper salvage claim with the federal authorities. Later, after finding out about the state of insurance, I'd press the salvage claim if insured or.... if uninsured, just return the boat to the owners and drop the salvage claim.

The only boat I have salvaged was a newish Sea Ray I found getting destroyed on the rocks. I saved the boat from sinking at risk to myself and my vessel. I towed it to safe harbor and prevented loss of the vessel. The boat was owned outright and the owner was not insured. So, I gave it back to him and dropped my claim.
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Old 14-04-2014, 03:04   #18
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Re: The 'Salvage' poll

Not on board doesn't mean abandond. Yes they are scummy thief's. We all know the story. At what point dows someone become a thief. To me I wouldn't board the vessel snd your a thief if just a penny was taken. If iys not yours your stealing it.

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Old 14-04-2014, 03:05   #19
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Ill bet nomad would be realmad if it was his boat

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Re: The 'Salvage' poll

Such an uncomfortable thread. I would never board another boat without permission or legal action. It just doesn't sit right with me.
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Old 14-04-2014, 06:55   #21
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Re: The 'Salvage' poll

The title of the thread is confusing me. Are you guy talking about stealing things off a boat or salvaging a vessel in distress??

Two very different situations.

One legal, one illegal.
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Old 14-04-2014, 07:07   #22
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The title of the thread is confusing me. Are you guy talking about stealing things off a boat or salvaging a vessel in distress??

Two very different situations.

One legal, one illegal.
Salvaging -- its a question of abandonment
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The title of the thread is confusing me. Are you guy talking about stealing things off a boat or salvaging a vessel in distress??

Two very different situations.

One legal, one illegal.
That's the point of the poll. To some, this meaning of 'salvage' in this situation is a take-what-you-can free for all, and to hell with the law - or make up your own version of the law which states that anything you find at sea is yours (urban myth). To me, salvage means securing the vessel for sea and moving to a safe port before attempting to contact the owners and arrange a salvage agreement.

Unfortunately, in this case it appears that all the 'salvage' (theft) has done is made an intact seaworthy boat less seaworthy, and increased the chances of it being left there to rust. A damn waste, but some people don't care about wasting stuff unless the stuff is owned by them.
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Re: The 'Salvage' poll

It would be illegal try to salvage the boat without the express permission of the Bahamian Ministry responsible for wrecks.

I'd just take a few photos and move on.
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Old 14-04-2014, 10:07   #25
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It would be illegal try to salvage the boat without the express permission of the Bahamian Ministry responsible for wrecks.

I'd just take a few photos and move on.

Is this true?

I thought salvage law was international, based on international treaty like all the SOLAS regs?

Inside the USA, accepted international salvage laws apply.

Either way, good point about it being in the Bahamas. Taking any major action in a foreign country is only worth the risk if you know the local law very, very well.
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Re: The 'Salvage' poll

Well, let's see. I'm driving down the road and come upon a car stuck in the ditch. Car isn't wrecked, just stuck. See someone's possessions sitting on the front seat including a wallet and a cell phone.

While I'm looking at the car a local driving by stops to tell me the car is abandoned so I should just take anything I want out of the car.

How many of us would think this would be all right? If it isn't OK to take stuff out of a car why would it be OK to take stuff out of a boat?

Now suppose you do take the spare and the jack and whatever else strikes your fancy out of this car and a few miles down the road you get pulled over by the local sheriff who accuses you of stealing stuff from that car. Now what do you think the sheriff would say if you said a local driving by stopped and told you it was OK? Right!

By the way, the bloggers that found it said "The international maritime salvage law states that any vessel and/or its cargo lost or abandoned at sea belong to the first who finds it. Meaning, if you find a wreck it is all yours." which is total bull.
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Old 14-04-2014, 12:03   #27
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^^^^^^^^ Really??? I have to get reading the main thread.

Salvage is the act of rescuing a vessel or its cargo from peril/loss. It is not stealing a vessel or its cargo. A huge, HUGE difference. Also, salvage involves finding the owner and filing a lot of paperwork.
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Re: The 'Salvage' poll

Should add a vote for -once established that there is no one requiring help, keep sailing to my next port and report it.

I don't understand why anyone would take a stranger's word (fisherman saying it was abandoned) about something that could land me in jail, possibly loosing my boat in the process.
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It looks like a steel boat and may not have substantial damage. If I had time, I'd check the boat out to see if the engine starts, try to free it and take it in to the nearest port then do a background check into its story. If there was an owner the boat was rescued, if salvage rights are available then go that route. It may be that the issue would have to be cleared up before bringing it in with different laws in different countries.
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A brief comment as you think your reaction.

He who steals from others will also steal from you.
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