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Old 18-11-2019, 20:19   #1
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The rest of the story

It will be interesting to hear the rest of the story when the Coast Guard interviews the crew of the 40ft. Beneteau that went missing off the coast of Maine after a 3:00am 911 distress call on Saturday. Conditions were reported to be seas 5ft. winds 20kts. After a massive 2700 square mile search that came up empty, they were finally located by GPS off the New Jersey coast headed to Florida?!!!
They will be interviewed at their next port of call.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/missing-s...massive-search
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Old 18-11-2019, 21:04   #2
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What does that mean they were "finally located by GPS"?
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Old 18-11-2019, 21:13   #3
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“The Coast Guard ended a three-day search Monday after the 40-foot boat, Dove, was located safe and sound, nearly 100 miles off the New Jersey coast.
Petty Officer Nicole Groll, a spokeswoman, says a family member renewed a subscription for a GPS interactive messaging device, allowing the Coast Guard to pinpoint the boat’s location and message the crew as the vessel traveled to Florida.”


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Guess they mean something like an Inreach if they could receive messages.
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Not familiar with that device. Does it send and receive messages?
If so I find it odd that it wasn’t used initially to contact the USCG and then again to notify them later that things were OK, saving taxpayer money.
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Re: The rest of the story

VChild,

What probably happened is that a relative was no longer receiving messages from the boat's GPS reporting system, and phoned the CG. Land based people get panicky f or their friends and families, and figure better safe than sorry. We had a very hard time turning off people's worries when we first left on an offshore passage, plus a bout of winter came to the NE and E coasts of the US in the time frame: they're looking at winter cold.

Incidentally, the CG and other SAR outfits much prefer to fly real flights than simulations that they have to do to keep their skills honed and air time up. Either way, the taxpayers fund it. Maybe it's a better deal all around if occasionally they get one that turns out well.....

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So, much ado abut nothing. who is going to reimburse CG and others for petrol and other expenses and wasting unnecessarily of their time.
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What probably happened is that a relative was no longer receiving messages from the boat's GPS reporting system, and phoned the CG. Land based people get panicky f or their friends and families, and figure better safe than sorry. We had a very hard time turning off people's worries when we first left on an offshore passage, plus a bout of winter came to the NE and E coasts of the US in the time frame: they're looking at winter cold.

Incidentally, the CG and other SAR outfits much prefer to fly real flights than simulations that they have to do to keep their skills honed and air time up. Either way, the taxpayers fund it. Maybe it's a better deal all around if occasionally they get one that turns out well.....

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Actually the wording to the coast guard was “we are on a boat”. And the coast guard determined the call to have come from offshore 20 miles south of Desert Island according to the second article. Although I guess the reporter may have got the story wrong. More to come when the coast guard interviews them.
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So, much ado abut nothing. who is going to reimburse CG and others for petrol and other expenses and wasting unnecessarily of their time.


We, the taxpayers, pay for it. Same as we pay for fire departments even when our house is not on fire. Police departments. Road maintenance in places we don’t drive. Seawalls. And more.
I have no issue with that.
Plus what Ann said re training vs real exercises.
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We, the taxpayers, pay for it. Same as we pay for fire departments even when our house is not on fire. Police departments. Road maintenance in places we don’t drive. Seawalls. And more.
I have no issue with that.
Plus what Ann said re training vs real exercises.

that is completely two different things that you can not even compare.

you are talking about hard working people risking their lives with someone who go out for own pleasure and when he/she/ they/them or whatever they are calling themselves this days are out of "mobile phone range" they cry for help.
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I don’t buy that argument either. All resources are limited. If a search and rescue crew is out on a perceived genuine emergency, they cannot divert to another emergency. Whereas in a training session, they can easily divert to a true emergency.
Everything is fine until there’s a real life or death situation and no crews are available because they are all out on wild goose chases.
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that is completely two different things that you can not even compare.

you are talking about hard working people risking their lives with someone who go out for own pleasure and when he/she/ they/them or whatever they are calling themselves this days are out of "mobile phone range" they cry for help.
They do the same thing during training exercises.

As far as the cost, its so tiny it's not worth considering.

We have ships, boats, helicopters, jets, and planes constantly training all the times here.

The helicopters sometimes just hover for 30 minutes it seems to train new pilots. Ships escorting carriers in and out. Patrol boats running off boat traffic that gets to close, etc

Then we have the Seal speed boats coming and going, hover craft, amfib's with contracted tugs to get them out to the bay or parked when they return and that is just in this one small area. Then there are the CH-47 Seal transport helo's coming and going and lots of rifle fire both live (at the range) and blanks

We also have the coast guard cutters, 29'ers, and other small patrol boats out there.

Then we have the Navy H53's pulling the mine sweeping sleds and they are out there doing that for hours. Try figuring out how to sail around one sometime. Once I just gave up and kept my heading and they sweep away but were in no hurry to do so

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Hmmmm, things happen. I agree that it may have been a friend or relative that has not been able to contact the boat. If using an Inreach it has the capability to allow those at home to track the vessel plus use it to send typed messages, the tracking and ability to send a message may have stopped. Whatever the cause, SAR would rather know that all is well and take the attitude that YOU need help. Be thankful we have these resources and people willing to do the job. I always had a SAT phone on board to communicate every few days.
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Re: The rest of the story

I, too, will be interested to hear what really happened.

Part of me really wants to punish some idiot for putting all those searchers' lives in danger. But I'll be patient.

Some questions stand out. If they had an InReach, and the subscription had lapsed, it wouldn't work. So why, days later, was it still on and out where it could receive a signal when it was re-activated? I'd think it would have been turned off, or at least stuffed back in a bag, when it became apparent it wasn't working.

The 911 call is odd. I get that it cut off 20 miles off the coast. Maybe the skipper didn't know the idiot passenger made the call, and the idiot didn't tell anyone. But surely everyone knows they don't give up when a 911 call is disconnected.

Then there's the radio. If the CG did this enormous search, I'm sure every station up and down the coast, and every search plane and vessel, was trying to reach this boat by VHF radio. So why couldn't they? I have no sympathy for an idiot who won't even turn on their VHF.

Maybe this can all be explained as a series of bizarre coincidences. I'll hold off making any judgement. But if I were a betting man, my money would be on some idiot(s) being the root cause.
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This is a great example of how important it is to keep promises of communication made to land-based friends and relatives, whenever possible.

I was reminded of a personal and very embarrassing experience. Before an easy trip from SF to Monterey, I had told my mother I would call her when we arrived, which was to be mid-day following. Arriving in Monterey about noon, after check-in and a nice lunch with drinks on the pier, and back on board the boat in the harbor, at about 4PM the harbormaster comes on the PA and announces to the whole world, "Doug Clark, please call your mother". The folks on our buddy boat for that trip were hysterical with laughter.
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