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Old 09-10-2016, 18:37   #31
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Re: The reason you take your headsail down in a hurricane!

That's because the vast majority of boats are owned by wannabes who use their boats as "entertainment platforms" or waterfront apartments. There are very few seamen left.
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Re: The reason you take your headsail down in a hurricane!

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That's because the vast majority of boats are owned by wannabes who use their boats as "entertainment platforms" or waterfront apartments. There are very few seamen left.
If you only knew.....some of those "wannabes" were "seamen" once. Some of them have aged, some of them are now widowers, some of them have suffered physical damage because a young kid hit them head-on, etc. It's bad form to judge another man, or woman, unless you have walked a mile in their shoes. I hope to have a few more good years in me before I choose to use my boat as a waterfront condo, but when I do please don't judge me unfairly.
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Re: The reason you take your headsail down in a hurricane!

Orion jim, please note that I said "the vast majority" not "all" of those boat owners are wannabes. Yes, there are former, or I should say retired, seamen scattered among the "yuppies" and they are the ones who properly prepared their boats for the storm. I knew a "Jim" who sailed a Downeaster 38 named "Orion" in the Caribbean in the late 1990's. He was a true seaman and if he is retired and still on his boat, Orion will be ready for any emergency.
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Old 09-10-2016, 19:37   #34
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Re: The reason you take your headsail down in a hurricane!

After reviewing the above posts and observing at least a dozen shredded headsails and one main sail, I find no plausible excuse for not preparing for a storm. Yeah, it's a pain to do this and easy to have a denial attitude. I created this thread for those who ignore this advice or who think it can't happen to them if you wrap your sheets around the furler. That's just crap and the force of these winds is just unbelievable.

Also, blaming the marina staff for not taking care of your boat is ridiculous. They are all scrambling to prepare the marina. Most will check your lines and may add some so you don't take out your neighbors boat. But, sails? No way. Also, what are they supposed to do with these sails once they take them down? It's just not their problem.


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Old 09-10-2016, 19:45   #35
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Re: The reason you take your headsail down in a hurricane!

Part of it is that the named storm deductible is so high you might as well rip it all, get a high estimate for canvas, sails, paint scratches, etc then buy a few used sails after you get the checks.

As and fyi, all my St Aug neighbors are trying to figure out if 1" of water in a garage can get them a complete remodel courtesy of fema and the flood insurance program
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Re: The reason you take your headsail down in a hurricane!

Last year we witnessed a huge screecher unfurl on a cat around midnight. The wind was about 20 knots. The skipper was asleep and the boat docked.

The sail was gone before the guy was up and functional - caught in the rigging of the neighbouring boat a shredded. The sail.

I think a well secured furled genoa easily makes it thru any regular storm but a hurricane is yet another story.

When in doubt, take it down.

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I've seen this type of damage many times in far less than hurricane strength winds, just bad storms. What bothers me more is that no one at the marina seems to give a damn. Can the marina crew not take the 30 seconds required to re-furl the sail? Can they not even give a phone call to a boat owner to tell him that his $2,000 genoa is getting torn to shreds? That's why marinas have a phone number for each boat owner. Perhaps it's not "their responsibility", but it sure as heck would amount to good service. I'm glad that I'm at a yacht club where people actually care about each other and the shore crew thinks about the members.
I just went through this at the marina my boats at. 57 mph wind, two furled sail's deployed and flogged them selves to death. I attempted to crank one of them in. When I got to the furler, it was under such massive strain it was literally screaming , the whole stay and furler twanging 3 feet bow to stern like a giant guitar string. I left the A.O. My life is not worth a sail belonging to anyone, let alone some toad that leaves a boat in such condition. oh ya, one of the boats is a moron with 3 rope/wire halyards left loose as hell for weeks at a time. Tie them up and the next time the owners here they leave loose again. Sorry, no favors for fu&#ers!
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Re: The reason you take your headsail down in a hurricane!

I am seeing a lot of this scolding going on here, on FB and elsewhere. Give it up. I am sure most of those people knew the risks they were taking and went ahead anyway. Well-intentioned scolds are not going to change anything.
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Re: The reason you take your headsail down in a hurricane!

In Grenada the two yards I have been in require that the sails and all canvas removed if named storm is on its way. They will will do it and charge you if you are not there. If you're coming out for long term storage the one will not haul if you have a jib on. I remove all halyards and running rigging anyway so not an issue for me.
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Re: The reason you take your headsail down in a hurricane!

Our wind forecast was to be in the 40's, but we had gusts to 87 knots.

Coming back across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel yesterday winds were between 40-60 knots with quite large waves. I had to use the windshield wipers several times and it wasn't raining! No tractor trailers were allowed to cross and the speed limit was lowered to 45.

It was very interesting to see the conditions and think about what if you were in that crap on a sailboat.......you'd be screwed in the bay with the closely spaced waves and obstacles on a small underpowered sailboat but in open water doable but not recommended

I didn't take my jib off the furler or add any extra lines. I was a bit worried about the line holding the boat away from the dock forward but it did okay.

I wrapped the furled sail with my main halyard maybe 10X. That halyard always runs from the cabin hand rail to the bow pulpit railing when not in use so whenever we have gale warnings I wrap the furled jib with it.

Hurricane prep would normally be to remove the sails. I did remove the dodger though
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I couldn't believe how many boats took no action to prepare for this disaster!

Really! This is scary ****. I have seen so much damage here near Ponce Inlet due to poor preparation and planning.


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This is the dumbest thing I have read on this forum this year.
Well, you must live in a world apart. Of the hundreds of boats in our marina, some very nice and fully open ocean capable, most never leave their slips other than to have bottoms painted. So what better thought do you have?
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Re: The reason you take your headsail down in a hurricane!

Anyone know about the "Imi Loa" dry docked in Guaymas?
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It has to be understood most Luxury purchases such as RV's and Boats are bought for no other reason than to be trophy's of wealth and or status. This crowd will visit their boats, may take them out on occasion but will do no maintenance even as simple as lowering a sail in preparation for a storm.


This may upset some people and hurt feelings, but it is often true.
My boat for example was I am sure a couple of people's "Trophy" but by the time I came along she was past her prime for Trophy status I guess.

But how else can you explain a 27 yr old cruising boat with 500 hours on the engine, no windlass, no battery bank to speak of, no Radar, no Autopliot, original VHF, original sails in good condition, and absolutely zero cruising gear of any kind?
Now one couple that owned her did day sail her, but I believe until I bought her that was the only actual use she received, been a Dock Queen until then.
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I can never fathom why the US celebrates Columbus Day; after all, Cabot claimed North America for England while Columbus was sunning himself in the Caribbean.
There is no record of Columbus having set foot in NA.

Out west we now celebrate Native American Day in apology for (Columbus) European sins.


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