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Old 25-03-2015, 13:20   #46
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I dont think so.

Google will reveal a lot of what is changing in politics over the last month or so. A lot more going on than on the surface and takes some joining of the dots.

Is it a valid rationale? Who knows. Politics plays its own game and they dont bother telling us mere mortals the real reason. However Im reasonably sure it benefits someone to have conflict and divides.

Six months will give the fuller picture. Things move fast these days. The game plan is well afoot.
ISIL has no more intent in Europe, then the IRA had in the seventies in bombing mainland Britian. Its a series of spectaculars primarily to gain notice and often force peoples hands. for every massive military reaction to ISIL, ISIL gains more recruits. You cannot actually defeat such peoples with military, all you do in force the problem to re-appear in many others ways.

IN Northern Ireland , The IRA perfected the car-bomb, because they could not engage with the British Army is any direct way. ISIL under increasing direct military pressure ( pressure it WILL NOT withstand) will increasingly seek to establish such " spectaculars"

The reality is in a free democracy , we are going to have to accept a degrees of lack of safety to remain free. If that means in the process we have casualties , I think we will have to accept that.

The alternative allows the other side to dictate the agenda. ISIL and others want us to react by making like harder for our citizens, removing civil liberties in the name of security . They want to radicalise the process

The best reaction isn't always to just unthinkingly strike back

Unfortunately , until we are prepared to participate in a comphrensive solution to the middle east ( or simply re - colonise it , thats an alternative ) we will see these issues continue.

I like you , foresee , more "spectaculars" on European soil, I don't think targeting the boating community is high on that list.
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Followed by Nationalism......
Followed by ant type of fundamentalist way of looking to reality, being it religious or political.
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Followed by Nationalism......
indeed

then followed by the corruption of reality by the ideologues, then the distancing of the public from the truth,
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Nothing in there says that on Med cruise ships are armed protected. In fact I don't believe it. It is so far away from European way to look at that matter that it does not make sense, A ship that would be found with war guns aboard would be in deep trouble with any European authority. Even if in case of attack they would resort to them...in the end they would be in deep **** just for having them aboard anyway.
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Like I said..... Cruise ships do not advertise their protection mechanisms. There are more than you would think.

Time will validate this point.
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Followed by ant type of fundamentalist way of looking to reality, being it religious or political.
indeed the west has throughout its history done enormous damage, using ideology as its birthright
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I dont think so.

Google will reveal a lot of what is changing in politics over the last month or so. A lot more going on than on the surface and takes some joining of the dots.

Is it a valid rationale? Who knows. Politics plays its own game and they dont bother telling us mere mortals the real reason. However Im reasonably sure it benefits someone to have conflict and divides.

Six months will give the fuller picture. Things move fast these days. The game plan is well afoot.
Think I'll skip Google thanks.. stick to myfreetv sites and the news feeds I can hook into on line..
Prefer the overview to the politically expedient
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Unfortunately , until we are prepared to participate in a comphrensive solution to the middle east ( or simply re - colonise it , thats an alternative ) we will see these issues continue.
Kewl! I fancy the Gaza Strip....... Some great beaches there!
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Followed by ant type of fundamentalist way of looking to reality, being it religious or political.
You banter about quite liberally with the word 'fundamentalist', even on one occasion using it to describe my thinking in a very inappropriate way.

Just what do you think this word means, applies to and when?
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I think you miss my point, Terrorists are Terrorists one day, they next day there are cabinet ministers.

If you then ( a few years later) meet one and have chat you realise these are not monsters ( even if you think they are) they are often quite remarkable

remember the British regarded George Washington as in effect a " terrorist "

I view history as muddy , murky , which no " good " or " evil", conflict resolution also tends to murky , muddy and full of hypocrisy.

Idealism and righteousness frighten me on all sides.
The previous President of the European Commission (2 terms) was in is youth member of a Maoist extremist revolutionary party that fought against the dictatorship in Portugal. They were considered terrorists by the government.

People change but if a youngster is not an idealistic, I would say that there is nothing good to expect of him, at least in what regards a social positive role on the society. People change and hopefully for the better. Willy Brandt used to say that to be a good social democrat one has to be a leftist on his youth.
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Kewl! I fancy the Gaza Strip....... Some great beaches there!

Lets form the Weavis South Mediterranean Company, lend it billions, a stamp of parliamentary approval, a few " good men" and off you go. Worked before…..
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The previous President of the European Commission (2 terms) was in is youth member of a Maoist extremist revolutionary party that fought against the dictatorship in Portugal. They were considered terrorists by the government.

People change but if a youngster is not an idealistic, I would say that there is nothing good to expect of him, at least in what regards a social positive role on the society. People change and hopefully for the better. Willy Brandt used to say that to be a good social democrat one has to be a leftist on his youth.

people don't change, they just hide for a better appearance
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I dont think so.

Google will reveal a lot of what is changing in politics over the last month or so. A lot more going on than on the surface and takes some joining of the dots.

Is it a valid rationale? Who knows. Politics plays its own game and they dont bother telling us mere mortals the real reason. However Im reasonably sure it benefits someone to have conflict and divides.

Six months will give the fuller picture. Things move fast these days. The game plan is well afoot.
Ahhh.. Yes.. your right.. Achille Lauro and the PLO was in 1985.. seems like just yesterday.. my.. how time flies..
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Lets form the Weavis South Mediterranean Company, lend it billions, a stamp of parliamentary approval, a few " good men" and off you go. Worked before…..
Gosh! er.... can I have it in Sterling?
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...then followed by the corruption of reality by the ideologues, then the distancing of the public from truth...indeed the west has throughout its history done enormous damage, using ideology as its birthright...
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I think you miss my point, Terrorists are Terrorists one day, they next day there are cabinet ministers.

If you then ( a few years later) meet one and have chat you realise these are not monsters ( even if you think they are) they are often quite remarkable

remember the British regarded George Washington as in effect a " terrorist "

I view history as muddy , murky , which no " good " or " evil", conflict resolution also tends to murky , muddy and full of hypocrisy.

Idealism and righteousness frighten me on all sides.
Ie . Fidel Castro, Mao Zedong, Ho Chi Minh,
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