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Old 19-02-2013, 14:40   #16
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Re: Thank You HMS Bounty

DeborahLee, I would suggest you read the gCaptain account of the hearings. They are written by an ex CG rescue specialist and have a little more meat than Campbell's one entry.
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Old 19-02-2013, 14:59   #17
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All I can say is this ...I am sorry that this beautiful sail ship is gone. There is fewer and fewer of them.
WHAT? It was by all accounts a piece of crap floating movie set. It had zero historical significance. It was flotsam on top of the ocean and now its debris on the bottom.

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We can all agree with that.
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Re: Thank You HMS Bounty

Every mariner should, at the very very least, read Mario Vittone' coverage of Day 6 of the hearings. His analysis of what went and what was done wrong Will save lives, for all confronted with a dangerous situation as well as for those who may bear and overcome the Hubris of Captain Wallbridge.
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All wooden vessels are rotten, to some degree or another, and all of them leak. Nature of the beast. Bounty would have been less rotten and would have leaked less had more hundreds of thousands of dollars been poured into her. It's easy to for us to say from our armchairs how "preventable and stupid" the tragedy was -- sure, just get out the checkbook, no problem. But the reality of managing a vessel like that is a bit more complicated.
The original Bounty, when purchased by the Royal Navy and fitted out for the Tahiti expedition, was only three years old. In that day, the expected life span of a ship was about 15 years before the cost of maintaining the ship exceeded the amount of profit she might bring and it became cheaper to actually build a whole new ship. Warships were a bit of an exception and some very old line-of-battle ships saw action--HMS Victory for instance, being 40 years old when Nelson sailed in her to fight the French and Spanish at Trafalgar; even in her case, she had been due to be paid off and hulked, but received a new lease on life, and a thorough refit and rebuilding, when the Napoleonic Wars engulfed Europe.

The modern Bounty, though, was well over 50 years old and outlived the majority of the actors who played the original crew (Brando, Trevor Howard, Richard Harris, Percy Herbert, et. al). At better than half a century old, she was well beyond the life expectancy of a wooden merchant ship of the original Bounty's era. In all probability she would have been scrapped for her iron and copper fittings, or tied up at some wharf or other as a floating storeship or lighter until she fell apart and sank at her moorings. Unfortunately, the modern Bounty did not attract the necessary funds to maintain her after the fashion of such national treasures as Victory (1765), Constitution (1797), or Constellation (1854).
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Re: Thank You HMS Bounty

I think the link you tried to post is
The Cost of Waiting – Bounty Hearings – Day 6 | gCaptain - Maritime & Offshore News
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Some great pictures of the ship in 2008. Nice way to remember her.

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Some great pictures of the ship in 2008. Nice way to remember her.

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As I said ... I am sorry that this beautiful sail ship is gone.
There is fewer and fewer of them (historical or not) to enjoy.

Thanks for the link ...
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As I said ... I am sorry that this beautiful sail ship is gone.
There is fewer and fewer of them (historical or not) to enjoy.

Thanks for the link ...
As you said, beautiful ship, but it is kind of like looking at a protrait of someone with stage 4 cancer. Healthy on the outside, rotten inside.

Totally unbelivable the Captain thought he could make that voyage safely.

I've been through two hurricanes on steel ships and we lost hatches, antennas and once the ship's bell. I can't imagine being on a wooden ship filled with rot in a hurricane.
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My my, I haven't been on here a visiting lately. I just read the transcripts and am sure as most here are completely blown away by it all. The owner not testifying? We need to repeal the 5th amendment. He's the only one that can prove the captain was being pressured to get her to Florida. I hope this doesn't come down to being deemed captain error in judgement.
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