Sydney to Hobart yacht race

[Factor]

Originally Posted by Polux

Last year that was an attempt to do that but they give up. I have nor heard anything about this year.

Yes - Sean Langman (on MAluka of Kermandie this year and many other years, as well as some maxis over the time) was very intent on trying to get a race happening at the same time with his Team Australia among others. Not sufficient interest when it isn't part of the "big dance". In 1996 (I think) two middling cats, did shadow the race for a day or say, sailed round the leaders a few times then went home.

I am all in favor of the multihulls to be allowed on this and all races but I think you are wrong: From all races this is the one where they would stand a bigger chance to be beaten by monohulls, at least in what regards what they have on that part of the world that are some older modified ORMA boats. I have many doubts that on the Sydney Hobart conditions the 60ft trimarans would be a match for the 100ft monohull but certainly I would very much like to see that

Seriously, you don't think that boats that go round the world setting records would be a match for baots that don't? Its been a long time since a mono crewed or solo/short handed held any of the world sailing records. A long time, Boats that hold the ratified world record for the passage time from Sydney to Hobart wouldn't be fast/strong enough. I suspect that doing the southern ocean from Cape Aghulas to Cape horn might be almost as hard as the legendary Sydney to Hobart 600 miles.

[Polux]

Originally Posted by Ann T. Cate

Factor,

Maybe I'm wrong here, but I thought Polux meant that remark in jest, as Comanche had just been shown to be so obviously not the fastest boat in the world.

Yes and obviously I am referring to monohulls. There was plenty of statments regarding that:
"Comanche, built to be the fastest"This yacht is designed to be a full-on record-breaker..."

An in fact I believe it is the fastest multihull on most of the sailing and sea conditions....but not in all. Sydney Hobart and Med races will probably be the worst racing conditions for Comanche and even so Wild Oats was lucky with the conditions, with plenty of upwind sailing and mostly the weak winds with big seas near the strait (that's where it won the race)...and even so Comanche almost caught him.

I am quite sure that in a Transat or on the Transpacific the Comanche will be untouchable in what regards monohulls.

[Rustic Charm]

Originally Posted by Polux

Yes and obviously I am referring to monohulls. There was plenty of statments regarding that:
"Comanche, built to be the fastest"This yacht is designed to be a full-on record-breaker..."

An in fact I believe it is the fastest multihull on most of the sailing and sea conditions....but not in all. Sydney Hobart and Med races will probably be the worst racing conditions for Comanche and even so Wild Oats was lucky with the conditions, with plenty of upwind sailing and mostly the weak winds with big seas near the strait (that's where it won the race)...and even so Comanche almost caught him.

I am quite sure that in a Transat or on the Transpacific the Comanche will be untouchable in what regards monohulls.

I suspect you would be correct. Comanche needs the conditions and then it might be a record breaker.

[Rustic Charm]

Sydney to Hobart: Storm delivers final blow to battered fleet | The Mercury

This is where the real S2H test occurred but it was barely reported on. It's the same with the overall winner, line honours is all the public and media see as counting for anything.

[Polux]

Originally Posted by Factor

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Seriously, you don't think that boats that go round the world setting records would be a match for baots that don't?

yes but to my knowledge you don't have those boats on Australia but older and smaller ORMA class multihulls. The ORMA class were dificult boats to sail with a story of many capsizes on Transats and unfortunately not always without victims.

Originally Posted by Factor

Its been a long time since a mono crewed or solo/short handed held any of the world sailing records. A long time, Boats that hold the ratified world record for the passage time from Sydney to Hobart wouldn't be fast/strong enough. I suspect that doing the southern ocean from Cape Aghulas to Cape horn might be almost as hard as the legendary Sydney to Hobart 600 miles.

Yes but when you set a record on a multihull (or monohull) you select carefully the time for the passage and get as much downwind sailing you can get.

On this time of the year the Sydney Hobart is mostly an upwind sailing race with nasty seas, the worst conditions for a multihull. No so much for the big ones, the record breakers, but to 60ft Orma, very nasty conditions that can lead to capsizes and to a slower performance. Even so I think they should be allowed and I am very curious regarding the compared performances of 100ft monohulls with 60ft multihulls and I believe that in nasty conditions probably the monohulls would be faster.

I have been comparing the performances of top racing 50ft multihulls (multi50) with the performance of Open 60's on the different editions of "Route du Rhum" and what you can see is that on nasty conditions the Open 60 are faster and on more clement conditions the Multi 50 are faster.

Off course that is a Transat where the conditions are better for multihull then on an upwind race like the Sydney Hobart and the difference in sizes are also bigger 50 to 60ft on the Route du Rhum, 60 to 100ft on the Sidney Hobart. I would like very much to have the opportunity to see that "match" but I would not be beating on the Multihulls, if they were the old ORMA and if the conditions on the race were hard.

[Factor]

Seriously again, you think the 600 miles of what is effectively a coastal run, is harder than beneath the southern capes and up and down the atlantic for 21,600 miles. I mean seriously?

Oh and BTW - wild oats did not WIN the Sydney to Hobart 2014. At this stage it appears Love and War did.

[Polux]

Originally Posted by Factor

Seriously again, you think the 600 miles of what is effectively a coastal run, is harder than beneath the southern capes and up and down the atlantic for 21,600 miles. I mean seriously?
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No, but I do not understand what you mean. The 60 Orma class trimarans never circumnavigated to my knowledge. Maybe you can explain me of what you are talking about. There are a big difference in seaworthiness between a 60ft Orma and a maxi trimaran, the ones that circumnavigate. As I said that is no excuse to not allow trimarans on the Sydney Hobart but it is going to be though and I bet we will see a lot of breakage and probably some capsizes.

[Factor]

Originally Posted by Polux

No, but I do not understand what you mean. The 60 Orma class trimarans never circumnavigated to my knowledge. Maybe you can explain me of what you are talking about. There are a big difference in seaworthiness between a 60ft Orma and a maxi trimaran, the ones that circumnavigate. As I said that is no excuse to not allow trimarans on the Sydney Hobart but it is going to be though and I bet we will see a lot of breakage and probably some capsizes.

I didnt realise that you had set a rule that only orma 60s could compete.

[Polux]

Originally Posted by Factor

I didnt realise that you had set a rule that only orma 60s could compete.

No, but it was you that mentioned Team Australia (among others) and that one is an ORMA class trimaran. There are anything bigger,faster and more seaworthy in Australia or NZ than the old ORMA class?

[Wotname]

At least if the multis could participate, one may be able to more fully finalise the question of the relative sea-worthiness of the different hull types.

This race has a history of significantly testing the sea-worthiness of vessels.

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by Polux

Last year that was an attempt to do that but they give up. I have nor heard anything about this year. If they would mix with the fleet they would be news and would be filmed and that was not the case.

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Thanks, probably what I was thinking of and then got confused - happens a bit more these days

[Polux]

Originally Posted by Wotname

At least if the multis could participate, one may be able to more fully finalise the question of the relative sea-worthiness of the different hull types.

This race has a history of significantly testing the sea-worthiness of vessels.

I agree, and also to know more about the compared performance of diverse types of sailboats, specially in what regards multihulls going upwind with bad weather.

[neilpride]

I wonder how those ORMA tri`s can sail to weather in the S2H, or if there is any other big multi designed for those racing conditions? upwind? just asking because i have no idea , just trying to figúrate if they are baned by safety reasons or other reason...

[Rustic Charm]

Originally Posted by neilpride

I wonder how those ORMA tri`s can sail to weather in the S2H, or if there is any other big multi designed for those racing conditions? upwind? just asking because i have no idea , just trying to figúrate if they are baned by safety reasons or other reason...

My understanding is its for old fashioned safety reasons.

[Rustic Charm]

Originally Posted by Factor

Seriously again, you think the 600 miles of what is effectively a coastal run, is harder than beneath the southern capes and up and down the atlantic for 21,600 miles. I mean seriously?

Oh and BTW - wild oats did not WIN the Sydney to Hobart 2014. At this stage it appears Love and War did.

Wild Oats has won line honours which is what the public generally care about.

"Basically a coastal run"! Seriously?