Originally Posted by Dockhead
I agree! Except for this bit: "with little more than their guts and willpower." I think you contradict yourself. They had a lot more than ust guts and willpower -- they had discipline, persistence, intelligence.
And I agree about who I'd rather cross an ocean with
I think we agree more than we disagree.
When I said what you consider a contradiction, I did not see it as such, from my POV. But then I was thinking beyond the Antiki example, back to the many Small Boat or Extreme Boat voyagers who cross oceans or similar risky feats.
Some are obviously intelligent. But intelligent people don't always have the other "Right Stuff" to make it to the end of challenges.
Some may even seem "crazy" to me and it may seem they are taking foolish risks. But, some do succeed, and that is also admirable, because they tried something few would. For them, the "Guts" to try something is an admirable quality.
But I also thought of those who in the beginning or while planning, may be "Intelligent" and possess all kinds of external support, but when the "Ship Hits the Fantail" (or they face a big challenge or hardship) they lack the Willpower to continue to a successful conclusion. Brave men
, intelligent men
, and even physically strong men, sometimes give up too soon.
Anyway, I don't expect anyone to see things exactly as I do, but it is nice to know one's views do resonate with someone.