Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 26-08-2010, 10:39   #1
CF Adviser
Moderator Emeritus
 
TaoJones's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Montrose, Colorado
Posts: 9,850
Sorry, San Francisco . . .

It appears that the next running of the America's Cup will not take place in San Francisco Bay. This is from the latest 'Lectronic Latitude:

* * *

"How Much Do You Wanna Bet . . .

"August 25, 2010 The Bay

"That the match for the 34th America's Cup will be sailed on San Francisco Bay? In the wake of yesterday's news that the City would not seek a one-time exemption from the California Environmental Quality Act for the infrastructure improvements necessary for a Cup village, we are all but certain that the next Cup match will be held in Europe."

* * *

To read the entire piece, go to:

Latitude 38 - 'Lectronic Latitude

TaoJones
__________________

__________________
"Your vision becomes clear only when you look into your own heart. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks within, awakens."
Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961)
TaoJones is offline  
Old 26-08-2010, 10:58   #2
Senior Cruiser
 
sandy daugherty's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: near Annapolis
Boat: PDQ 36 & Atlantic 42
Posts: 1,178
America's Cup in San Fancisco Bay makes about as much sense as running relays in Grand Central Station or speed skating on a Bird Bath. With an infinite host of special interest groups wanting some special recognition, and a court system that easily accomodates some pretty bizare contentions, the part of this showcase actually having to do with water and boats would be doomed, pushed aside by the legal foreplay and wrangling that only came into being in the most recent campaigns.

I blame the automatic dishwasher for this regrettable decline in morale standards.

May I see a show of hands of those who took me seriously?
__________________

__________________
sandy daugherty is offline  
Old 26-08-2010, 11:08   #3
CF Adviser
Moderator Emeritus
 
TaoJones's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Montrose, Colorado
Posts: 9,850
Quote:
Originally Posted by sandy daugherty View Post
I blame the automatic dishwasher for this regrettable decline in morale standards.

May I see a show of hands of those who took me seriously?
Okay . . .
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Screen shot 2010-08-26 at 10.05.16 AM.jpg
Views:	107
Size:	92.4 KB
ID:	18673  
__________________
"Your vision becomes clear only when you look into your own heart. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks within, awakens."
Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961)
TaoJones is offline  
Old 26-08-2010, 12:38   #4
cruiser

Join Date: May 2010
Location: SF Bay Area; Former Annapolis and MA Liveaboard.
Boat: Looking and saving for my next...mid-atlantic coast
Posts: 6,197
ummm

cant see it in the bay...though it was gonna be outside the gate
__________________
SaltyMonkey is offline  
Old 26-08-2010, 13:48   #5
CF Adviser
Moderator Emeritus
 
TaoJones's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Montrose, Colorado
Posts: 9,850
It isn't a question of where to hold the actual races, it's a question of where to construct the facilities to house the fleet. That would necessarily be within the confines of the Bay, somewhere. And since no one is pursuing the necessary environmental waiver to construct those facilities and that BMW / Oracle Racing has placed a very nearby deadline (September 30) to have everything in place and signed off by the various interested parties and authorities, there's just no way that's going to happen.

Because of the construction of elaborate facilities at Valencia by Berterelli, it actually makes the most sense for host locale from a facilities and infrastructure standpoint. Throw in the tax advantages of not holding the AC in California, and it becomes obvious, I think, that it will be held elsewhere.

TaoJones
__________________
"Your vision becomes clear only when you look into your own heart. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks within, awakens."
Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961)
TaoJones is offline  
Old 26-08-2010, 13:49   #6
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Montana
Posts: 391
Ah, for the good old days of iron men and wooden ships....who didn't need no stinkin' 'village'.....
__________________
Healer52 / Lisa, Rick and Angel the Salty Dog
Currently on the hard, looking for a boat
Healer52 is offline  
Old 26-08-2010, 14:03   #7
cruiser

Join Date: May 2010
Location: SF Bay Area; Former Annapolis and MA Liveaboard.
Boat: Looking and saving for my next...mid-atlantic coast
Posts: 6,197
Quote:
Originally Posted by Healer52 View Post
Ah, for the good old days of iron men and wooden ships....who didn't need no stinkin' 'village'.....
We also didn't need no stinkin' expensive rich mans race either. Everyday was a race.
__________________
SaltyMonkey is offline  
Old 26-08-2010, 15:39   #8
Registered User

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Vancouver, Wash.
Boat: no longer on my Cabo Rico 38 Sanderling
Posts: 1,794
Send a message via MSN to John A
If SF Bay wanted the Americas cup they would find a way! For starts there's the old Alameda Naval Air Station which used to home port two very large aircraft carriers and all the support for those ships. There's Hunters Point, which used to be the Navy's Largest ship repair facility on the West Coast. There's Treasure Island where mulitable Navy ships used to dock. All three are vacant.

SF is more in love with their own picture than doing anything sensible! Besides anything the majority of people want can and will be over-turned by one very prejudice Federal Judge.
__________________
John A is offline  
Old 26-08-2010, 16:49   #9
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Montana
Posts: 391
Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyMonkey View Post
We also didn't need no stinkin' expensive rich mans race either. Everyday was a race.

Still is, for most.....
__________________
Healer52 / Lisa, Rick and Angel the Salty Dog
Currently on the hard, looking for a boat
Healer52 is offline  
Old 26-08-2010, 17:47   #10
Senior Cruiser
 
roverhi's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Kona, Hawaii, Carlsbad, CA
Boat: 1969 Pearson 35 #108 & 1976 Sabre 28
Posts: 6,005
Send a message via Yahoo to roverhi
The race would have been staged in the Bay. Probably the best spectator venue anywnerer in the world for such an event. There would be prime sears on Yerba Buena, Angel, and even Alcatraz Islands as well as the City front in San Francisco Proper. The Bay is largely never much deeper than 80' and less in a lot of places so there would be course side anchorages for as many as 10,000 boats.

Having said that, the hopeless political situation in SF and the East Bay doomed the chance of bringing the America Cup to the Bay. They can't govern what already exists and are riddled with the bureaucracy of can't. The filing for an Environmnental Exemption for the Cup infrastructure is just one of the myriad things that Mayor Newsome and Dellums wouldn't make the effort to back or initiate. Couple that with the near/actual bankruptcy of the two largest Bay Fronting Cities and a couple of the smaller ones, they just don't have the priority to seriously fight for the Cup.
__________________
roverhi is online now  
Old 26-08-2010, 18:07   #11
Moderator Emeritus
 
Ex-Calif's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Singapore
Boat: Maxi 77 - Relax Lah!
Posts: 11,514
Images: 4
Isn't it jsut par for the course that the AmCup "stuff" has to be in court for two years before a couple of maga-rich-ego filled guys can go play with their sailboats...

My cynical side says the court stuff is all about the advertising...
__________________
Relax Lah! is For Sale <--- Click
Click--> Custom CF Google Search or CF Rules
You're gonna need a bigger boat... - Martin Brody
Ex-Calif is offline  
Old 26-08-2010, 18:26   #12
cruiser

Join Date: May 2010
Location: SF Bay Area; Former Annapolis and MA Liveaboard.
Boat: Looking and saving for my next...mid-atlantic coast
Posts: 6,197
Sorry, then I am in the minority. I'm glad they will take it somewhere else.
__________________
SaltyMonkey is offline  
Old 26-08-2010, 21:47   #13
Registered User
 
SabreKai's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Toronto, Canada on Lake Ontario
Boat: Roberts Offshore 38
Posts: 1,287
Images: 5
My view would be more along the lines of "Is it actually going to happen? Is this the last one we will ever see??"

Europe is in the toilet financially, so is the US. Anyplace that they want to run this show will need to spend money they don't have on infrastructure. Unless they decide to stick the competitors with the bill, I don't see any city anywhere spending the money for this. Sure its a tourist draw but are the numbers there to support it? These days its harder and harder to tell if an event will break even or win a little. Most cities are now too gun shy to be willing to spend money on that sort of stuff.


Sabre
__________________
SabreKai
SV Sabre Dance, Roberts Offshore 38
http://sabredancing.wordpress.com/
SabreKai is offline  
Old 27-08-2010, 01:02   #14
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Adelaide Aus
Boat: Tasman elite Cat
Posts: 82
Send a message via ICQ to Steve Thompson Send a message via AIM to Steve Thompson
Why worry about where its going to be sailed has SF got a big enough court house
cheers Steve
__________________
Steve Thompson is offline  
Old 27-08-2010, 01:33   #15
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: New Mexico, USA
Boat: International Etchells USA 125 Black Magic, Santana 20 475 Ghost, Hobie 33 3100 Bruja, dinghies,
Posts: 1,118
As far as I can tell, San Francisco politics are so murky that it might be easy to mis-read the meaning of the mayor's decision not to pursue the exemption during the waning days of the state legislative session. There might be an alternative path to getting enviro approvals that would work better. Which is not to say that it will or won't happen, just saving that things may not be as they appear.

Another complication is whether San Francisco thinks it can produce the bid alone, and without involving other municipalities and entities that might actually have more room or a more supportive legal/government environment.

Because Larry Ellison/Russell Coutts/BMWO apparently want a very large-scale event with a cast of thousands, vehicle and crowd access/movement might be an issue for some proposed venues, but that may be getting a little ahead of things.

Unfortunately, a lot of the motivation for the current cup plans seem to be commercial and perhaps not particularly focused on amateur sailing.
__________________

__________________
rgscpat is offline  
Closed Thread

Tags
san francisco

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
San Diego to San Francisco Catalysis Pacific & South China Sea 13 08-04-2014 07:52
Hello from San Francisco alagary Meets & Greets 8 26-08-2009 16:24
San Francisco to San Diego riderdiveraz Pacific & South China Sea 21 08-08-2009 22:43
Hi, from San Francisco Jennymar Meets & Greets 6 21-06-2009 18:59
Hi from San Francisco! harrier Meets & Greets 11 22-09-2008 08:52



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:54.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.