A few notes: malaysia
is considered a first world country. In any case, there is only one world so I'm not entirely sure what this means. At $500 a month (I am spending $200 in malaysia
, $50 vanuatu) I could cruise
in nearly any country, but there are several I would choose to avoid for other reasons.
Originally Posted by sparrowhawk1
would be impossible to do without an engine.
That's what they told me for a lot of bar entrances in new zealand
. It isn't actually true.
I've also sailed for days to cover a distance that I could have motored in a few hours.
I have sailed for a week to cover 100 miles, what is your point?
On the East Coast the holding isn't always that good so before I can go to sleep I need to make sure my anchor is well set, the only way I know of doing that is with an engine.
You can simply use the sails
to do the same thing you are using the engine for. If you are claiming to arrive with too little wind
for this and that the wind
will come up above 30 knots when you are sleeping or something (extremely rare scenario).. then just set an anchor alarm
, in the unlikely even it goes off, you will wake up and raise the sails and move then.
You can also dive on the anchor as an alternative option, but this is not technically ever needed.
I totally agree that comparing a 3-minute motor to a 10 minute row the engine is ridiculous. but there are anchorages that the current is so strong ( in Key West for example ) that if you're rowing and the tide is going the wrong direction you have to wait for the tide to change to go back to your boat. You can easily spend an hour rowing or more. It's all about balance
So in this case, you wait for the tide. What is the problem there? The tide is a great advantage as it helps you travel quickly to your boat. Also, keep in mind I can row my kayak
5 knots and sail up to 9 knots. Also in most of these cases, you can land the dingy elsewhere and walk along shore.
Originally Posted by sparrowhawk1
3 more benefits to having a motorized dinghy. .. It allows you to set anchors in conditions that you couldn't possibly row them out. It allows you to hip tow the mother vessel, my 8 horsepower outboard can push my 12 ton sailboat at 4 knots in choppy seas. ( I might have had some stern current.) it opens up where you can anchor. If you have to haul water
When do you need to row out an anchor? The only time I have done this is running aground so I can pull off. What conditions can you not row in? full storm? Above 40 knots and I can no longer row against the wind, this happened to me twice in new zealand
below the 40'th parallel. You normally should already have the anchor set before this or you made a mistake already.
I haul water by kayak
sometimes, using the sail. Last time the water was 2 miles away, it didn't seem far and took me less than 1 hour round trip.
Originally Posted by Capt Rottnest
Thanks BA, I like reading the minimalist point of view, its more interesting. I tried reading cruising books
of well heeled sailors and can't get past the first few pages (from boredom).
Engines may be a luxury, but I find they obey the law of diminishing returns. A minimalist engine setup is a big step up in comfort from completely engineless. We have a tiny outboard in a well to push a 35' boat, great for docking
and making the last mile upwind into port or anchorage. Going a lot more extravagant (inboard diesel) wouldn't give us much more. We have sails for that..
Yes, well, if you are talking about convenience, a few miles or so, I used to have electric
outboards which worked until a few months ago (corrosion issues and water got inside) which could push the boat 2 knots at 150 watts of power for a homemade unit with gears using Turnigy L5055A-400 Brushless Outrunner 400kv
, or 3 knots takes about 300 watts, can go up to 4 knots using more power, but I would never need to run so fast. In this case, it can easily be powered from solar
drain and continue to charge at the same time, or at night, for 12 hours on battery
power without issues (motored 15 miles one time in dead calm). Also the same outboard works to push a kayak 4 knots using little power. For a 35' boat you might consider dual units or a slightly larger motor
etc.. You have more space for more solar panels
and batteries though.
The engine might make your think you are more comfortable, but is not needed and technically obsolete and inferior to electric
drive systems anyway. if you are making your own fuel
, I have no complaints but otherwise, you are destroying the future hope for all of humanity which simply isn't acceptable on the basis of "comfort"