Sexism In The Sailing Community

[Macblaze]

Originally Posted by alaskaflyfish

The "sexes" are different and both (their) weakness and strengths should complement each other- not divide. This is "divine balance". There is sexism on both sides of the isle. You can always find what your looking for; whether that be peace or hate. It is up to you. Today it is a politically driven design (male bashing, toxic masculinity, father blaming,divorce court judicial favoritism,.etc....) which supported the birth of radical 3rd wave feminism. Government has empowered victim groups for the sole purpose of division. The "sexes" are just one of many divisions. The more divided the proletariat the more powerful the govt. Most of these protected victim groups pro-ject (projection) upon others that which they are also themselves guilty of. Unfortunately their cognitive dissidence does not allow them to see their own hypocrisy. Because of their protected victim status, they have the power of "accusation" to inflict judicial pain on some unsuspecting person. The best way to de-power these protected victim groups is to ignore and avoid them. Stand back and watch from afar the self-destruction. Their lust for drama which will be their undoing. Unfortunately some men, in an act of self-preservation, will no longer associate with a woman; until the woman can prove themselves stable. That is a "burden of proof" a stable woman will have to bear on behalf of their more radicalized, unstable sisters. With the political rise of the emotional beta male, the Gillette soy-boi, and the vicious attack on male masculinity, expect more fracturing between groups until balance can be restored. Choose your groups wisely. Fortunately, you can still find any group your comfortable with, whatever that my be.

Do you even know what those words mean?

[alaskaflyfish]

Originally Posted by Macblaze

Do you even know what those words mean?

Which words? Please enlighten us if you can.

[Macblaze]

Originally Posted by alaskaflyfish

Which words? Please enlighten us if you can.

Well, invoking the proletariat (a strictly Marxist concept) whilst delivering a rightwing Tea party diatribe kinda makes me wonder.

[billknny]

Originally Posted by belizesailor

Oh yeah, Ive seen that too...women can be especially nasty, demeaning, and sexist toward other women. Especially if they percieve them as a threat.

Sometimes it is hard to separate "sexism" from "jerkism." A funny story, with a sailing angle...

Very early in my sailing career (this would have been in the 80's) I had a small sailboat that lived on a trailer that I mostly sailed on a local lake. One day coming back to the launching ramp, I am tied up at the dock waiting my turn.

Ahead of me there were two women putting a boat on a trailer. It is not going well. One woman is yelling and screaming at the other, who is practically in tears. Everything is HER fault. She is an idiot. Why doesn't she listen? Pretty much the same thing I am sure we have all heard some men give to their female partners. It would have been an archetype scene if it had been male/female, and probably put down to the guy being a male sexist pig (I think I have that right...)

A small crowd is waiting, mostly patiently, for these two to get it together enough to clear from the ramp. Standing on the dock is a young boy, no more than 7 years old, holding his mother's hand. In a perfect stage whisper that carried to everyone around, he turns to Mom and asks, "Mom, What's that word for two women, who are like, gay?"

His only answer from his brightly blushing young mother, "SSSsshhhh!"

[alaskaflyfish]

Originally Posted by Macblaze

Well, invoking the proletariat (a strictly Marxist concept) whilst delivering a rightwing Tea party diatribe kinda makes me wonder.

You are confusing bourgeois with proletariat. Please think before you speak.

[Macblaze]

Originally Posted by alaskaflyfish

You are confusing bourgeois with proletariat. Please think before you speak.

As if anyone could.

Karl Marx, who studied Roman law at the Friedrich Wilhelm University of Berlin,[8] used the term proletariat in his socio-political theory of Marxism to describe a working class unadulterated by private property and capable of a revolutionary action to topple capitalism in order to create classless society. Marx most likely encountered the term while studying the works of the liberal economist and historian Jean Charles Léonard de Sismondi, who was the first to apply it to the working class created under capitalism, and whose writings were frequently cited by Marx.

Anyway, I know from you past posts that you and I could never convince each other of the best way to butter toast. I shoulda have kept my mouth shut but...some times people just can't help themselves. Sorry about that.

Have a happy day.

[Mike OReilly]

Notwithstanding alaskaflyfish’s deep dive into I do think there is sexism, and I do think it flows both ways. I would never try and equate the two, but I feel sexism in the boating community through the reaction to my partner, as well as to me.

I’m not the most competent or skilled worker. Everything I know about boat work I’ve learned slowly and painfully over the last few years. I’m usually much worse and a lot slower than most men of my generation. As such, I suffer the gentle slings and arrows from my male dock mates as they have a good laugh at my incompetence. I refuse to take it harshly, and in most cases it’s not meant to be. But it is there, and it is real.

It’s similar, but opposite, to the way my partner is sometimes treated when she is overlooked or pushed aside during some ‘manly task.’ Or sometimes even worse, when she is treated to over-the-top praise for simply doing something that is a normal cruising activity, like hauling in the anchor, or docking the boat.

And no, it’s not always men as the perpetrators. Women are just as likely to give as to receive.

Sexism is not hard to find if you open your eyes to it. The whole Admiral vs Captain dichotomy. The “happy wife, happy life” thing. The blue and pink jobs … these are all gentle shades of sexism that still exist in our societies.

I think things are changing for the better. The younger generations generally exhibit fewer sexist behaviours and attitudes. Of course they too come with their own baggage that the even younger generations will find unacceptable. It’s a never-ending cycle.

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by billknny

Sometimes it is hard to separate "sexism" from "jerkism." A funny story, with a sailing angle...

Very early in my sailing career (this would have been in the 80's) I had a small sailboat that lived on a trailer that I mostly sailed on a local lake. One day coming back to the launching ramp, I am tied up at the dock waiting my turn.

Ahead of me there were two women putting a boat on a trailer. It is not going well. One woman is yelling and screaming at the other, who is practically in tears. Everything is HER fault. She is an idiot. Why doesn't she listen? Pretty much the same thing I am sure we have all heard some men give to their female partners. It would have been an archetype scene if it had been male/female, and probably put down to the guy being a male sexist pig (I think I have that right...)

For just such occasions when we have been jerks , there are words we all should learn:

[alaskaflyfish]

Originally Posted by Macblaze

As if anyone could.



Anyway, I know from you past posts that you and I could never convince each other of the best way to butter toast. I shoulda have kept my mouth shut but...some times people just can't help themselves. Sorry about that.

Have a happy day.

Proletariat, a general word used by many groups, including the Fabian Society, to describe the unaware population, aka prole. Both writers Aldous Huxley and George Orwell were members of the Fabian Society and used such.

[Macblaze]

Originally Posted by alaskaflyfish

Proletariat, a general word used by many groups, including the Fabian Society, to describe the unaware population, aka prole. Both writers Aldous Huxley and George Orwell were members of the Fabian Society and used such.

Aaargh...I just can't help myself...

The Fabian Society is a British socialist organisation whose purpose is to advance the principles of democratic socialism

Emphasis mine.

[KiwiKen]

Originally Posted by stainless guy

Somone should start a mens only sailing/cruising forum and then troll the womens sites with the url and then watch the hilarious threads appear...

Or you could have one that is age exclusive...

Why stop there! There are so many Other ways to divide people!!

The women segregating themselves is a form of discrimination. Though i think most men don't care?

You should know that men only Clubs, Groups or Associations are politically incorrect, and extremely sexist.


Any group that is exclusive for males is suspect, and to be challenged by the strident feminist minority, because they know when men get together and enjoy themselves they are obviously discriminating against women.


What a bloody shame society has degenerated to this state, when we can't accept people on face value, associate with whom we chose, and where we may chose to do so without drawing done criticism and frequently vilification.


Some of my best friends are women, and I only hope my wife doesn't find out ( my age 78)

[boatman61]

As a 'Prole' I thought this was the Sexism thread.. but seems I stumbled into the Intellectual and Humility thread by mistake..

Where's the door..

[alaskaflyfish]

Originally Posted by Macblaze

Aaargh...I just can't help myself...



Emphasis mine.

Yes, so your point is what? Proletariat word is solely owned by a particular group and should not have been used by Aldous Huxley and George Orwell? Maybe you should tell them.
Here is you link to democratic socialism (communism) and the word bourgeois.Lenin: The Bolsheviks and the Petty Bourgeoisie

[Macblaze]

Originally Posted by alaskaflyfish

Yes, so your point is what? Proletariat word is solely owned by a particular group and should not have been used by Aldous Huxley and George Orwell? Maybe you should tell them.
Here is you link to democratic socialism (communism) and the word bourgeois.Lenin: The Bolsheviks and the Petty Bourgeoisie

Ok. One more. Then you can go. And then we are done. I promise.

Eric Arthur Blair (25 June 1903 – 21 January 1950),[1] better known by his pen name George Orwell, was an English novelist, essayist, journalist and critic, whose work is marked by lucid prose, awareness of social injustice, opposition to totalitarianism, and outspoken support of democratic socialism.

I couldn't find anything directly relating Huxley to socialism but...

Today’s ideas of sustainable living and production, environmentalism, and cooperative living are progenies of Huxley’s thinking.

[alaskaflyfish]

Originally Posted by Macblaze

Aaargh...I just can't help myself...



Emphasis mine.

Forgot to mention that both Huxley and Orwell were British, hence the connection to both the terms prole and bourgeois. Anything else? Perhaps try not to focus on a single word and look at the content.
You focus on a single blade of grass while ignoring the pasture.