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Old 24-02-2012, 07:42   #16
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Re: Sceptical about crew found online.

Mate, I have got 7 crew from online for my cruising yacht in Sumatra, all were good people and did their best. I recommend the crew wanted forum on this site and the floatplan site.

Be explicit in your requirements and cost sharing arrangements, get a deposit upfront and try and be very non judgemental, even if they break things and drop your tools over the side!

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Old 24-02-2012, 08:28   #17
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Re: Sceptical about crew found online.

In response to AreMS: you are very prudent to be skeptical in taking on unknown crew. First hand information about the goofy misadventures of some one I know very well, substantiates my positions in this regard. This individual was so desperate to find a spot on a sailing vessel that he spent a lot of money and time traveling to a "pie in the sky" sailing arrangement which blew up w/n two weeks, thankfully, prior to leaving port. He then lept on a boat w/another desperate individual looking for a "skipper"...that lasted an unhappy week..not a good scene...the agreement from both boat owners that they would pay for his return trip home was not honored..and he was stuck 1000 miles from home. Luckily he never left the East coast with either of these people...this is just one example, based on the majority of responses to your post, it is not an unusual result to this nature of solicitation.....listen, if you want crew, the best advise given you was to research your local resources, sailing clubs and yachting associations, DO NOT just trust to blind luck here. The worst thing that can happen is that you get out to sea w/someone that is not only intolerable but might actually put you in danger as a result of inexperience sailing or from personality issues......be cautious and know who you are going to sea with.
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Old 24-02-2012, 08:55   #18
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Re: Sceptical about crew found online.

Excellent questions, AreMS... Sounds like you will be sailing coastwise off Croatia so if there are serious problems you can put off the problem children. Atoll and Badsanta offer good advice. As a former delivery skipper, I've had lots of experience with new crew members from whom I always request a CV and ask them to tell me a little about themselves in writing. Followed by a face to face meeting which today can be done by SKYPE. Ask for references and check them.
I take it these are not paid crew but would contribute to the operating costs of the boat. I suggest you concentrate on financial ability to contribute to the venture but the most important issue before experience will be their ability to get along well with others and be part of a team. Write the questions out before discussing the venture with your prospective crew and give them the opportunity to ask questions as well. You can tell a lot about an individual by the questions he/she asks. Remember, it is supposed to be fun!
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Old 24-02-2012, 08:56   #19
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Re: Sceptical about crew found online.

Well,

My wife of 12 years was a total stranger before I met her. And that is working out great. OTOH my ex-wife was a total stranger before I met her as well. I guess it balances out.

Get to know people and choose wisely. Good communications as to what to expect and what is expected in return.

Lastly assuming that they are not psycho (in which case you would be better alone) it is often much less difficult to change yourself than to change others. Don't let the small stuff bother you. (e.g. you can clean up toenails after they leave your boat)

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Old 24-02-2012, 15:09   #20
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Where life gets interesting is going off shore, when the last point of land dips below the horizon. That when you start to realy get to know others, and for that matter yourself. How you or they respond is what defines what kind of a seaman is on the boat.

Some think that they has lost their security, others thing they have found freedom.
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Old 24-02-2012, 15:12   #21
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Re: Sceptical about crew found online.

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I wouldn't put to sea with anyone I "just" met on-line in some random forum. Odds are against it.

OTOH - your odds would go up a bit if you posted for crew here in the crew section, explaining your vacation plans and seeing if there is anyone adventurous. Anyone with 100 posts or so is "kinda" known by their on-line persona.

I've met many CFers in real life and all are great folk so far...

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Re: Sceptical about crew found online.

yes it is a two way street I often think the same thang I see someone looking for crew and they have 3 or 4 post and want you to go on a 3000 mile cruise.It just scares me and well, I have no experience so they dont want me anyways
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yes it is a two way street I often think the same thang I see someone looking for crew and they have 3 or 4 post and want you to go on a 3000 mile cruise.It just scares me and well, I have no experience so they dont want me anyways
Hey - be courageous Mr. Cat!

I may not launch on a 3 k cruise with you but definitely daysailing and coastal sailing. Everyone's gotta start somewhere and attitude is the most important thing not the sailing resume.
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Re: Sceptical about crew found online.

Getting a crew off the internet is probably the modern equivalent to rounding up sailor-types from waterfront saloons and pubs (read Treasure Island).
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Getting a crew off the internet is probably the modern equivalent to rounding up sailor-types from waterfront saloons and pubs (read Treasure Island).
Thats not true, you dont know if they have wooded legs or parrots
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Just post a crew wanted notice on a board in your local area and interview candidates in person prior to taking them, and you should be ok. I've had tons of crew this way, and never had a bad experience. A few cases of big exaggeration of their skills, but that was not really a problem, as I mostly need people who can deal with lines and fenders when docking and undocking, and generally help out. I've made a few good friends this way, and never had a crew who was unpleasant or even boring. Be careful but don't be paranoid.
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Re: Sceptical about crew found online.

Bash's rule #1: Never sail long with crew with whom you have not sailed short.
Bash's rule #2: Never sail long with a skipper with whom you have not sailed short.
Bash's rule #3: Internet sailing doesn't count in regards to the first two rules.
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Re: Sceptical About Crew Found Online

Internet is a great way to meet people (really opens up your reach ) - but not a substitute for using own noodle when selecting folks.

In real life some are good at using noodle, others not so. Always has been - always will be.

In OP's scenario, probably have to take pretty much what he (?) can - and then train them up to at least basic monkey standard (not rocket science, much of it is about not breaking stuff / not doing anything stupid ) and IMO big advantages to have raw material to deal with rather than those with own ideas!......with a Plan B for having folk(s ) onboard who are too much of a PITA for whatever reason (being close to shore means no need to have a plank onboard ), might not want to be shorthanded (or singlehanded) but options open up if you can be and therefore are not "married" to the crew.

For the boat (and use) described, singlehanded should be well doable - and 1 decent crew member a doddle - anything else is simply a bonus.

As often is the case with boats, the biggest factor is the Skipper......if he / she don't know WTF they are doing with boat and / or crew then problems more likely to arise which can be pinned on bad luck and bad crew - but fundamentally those are just symptoms of a bad Skipper.
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Re: Sceptical About Crew Found Online

I have had very good luck with findacrew.net having found 3 people off the site last year. The first two made it all the way from Florida to Tahiti. It's not like sailing with friends or family though, you must be prepared to bite your tongue on occasion.
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Bash's rule #1: Never sail long with crew with whom you have not sailed short.
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Bash's rule #3: Internet sailing doesn't count in regards to the first two rules.

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