Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 23-11-2013, 09:39   #31
Moderator
 
a64pilot's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Albany Ga.
Boat: Island Packet 38
Posts: 17,054
Quote:
Originally Posted by S/V Alchemy View Post
Sounds like a good way to cover the cost of diesel and sailcloth! But a 12kw genset is more than I'd want to carry...it might throw out my trim...
The little Miller I posted a link to runs off of 120V 15A. That's only 1800W, pretty sure a Honda 2000 would run one, and it is a high quality TIG machine, but I don't think it will do aluminum, will run both carbon and stainless steels very well though.
__________________

__________________
a64pilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-11-2013, 10:23   #32
Registered User
 
Freedom45's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Somewhere in the Pacific
Boat: Freedom 45 hull#1
Posts: 177
Re: Sailing with a welder aboard?

I have a Miller Dynasty 200dx, tig welder, will weld aluminum.
The specs show 1/4 inch, I think it will weld a little thicker materials than that., will run off 110vac - 460vac
__________________

__________________
I Sail, Therefor I ARRrrr...
Freedom45 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-11-2013, 19:40   #33
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 20
Re: Sailing with a welder aboard?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom45 View Post
I have a Miller Dynasty 200dx, tig welder, will weld aluminum.
The specs show 1/4 inch, I think it will weld a little thicker materials than that., will run off 110vac - 460vac
Is it 110V or 220V or engine driven and how much do they cost?

Dive
__________________
dive is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-11-2013, 22:08   #34
Registered User
 
Freedom45's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Somewhere in the Pacific
Boat: Freedom 45 hull#1
Posts: 177
Re: Sailing with a welder aboard?

Quote:
Originally Posted by dive View Post
Is it 110V or 220V or engine driven and how much do they cost?

Dive
The dynasty will work(automatically) to whatever power source you plug it into,
you would have to change the plug. It will work on 110vac just fine.Cost? 3k range In think. I don't have mine on the boat, but could easily accommodate it onboard, it's a portable unit.

Chuck
__________________
I Sail, Therefor I ARRrrr...
Freedom45 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-11-2013, 09:38   #35
Registered User
 
knottygurl's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Picton, ON
Boat: Grampian 26
Posts: 227
I have the thermal arc fabricator 211 runs on 10 or 220 which I power with a 10k genset. I have made up a double plug which can be used to make 220 from two 110 outlets.
So far all is working great just need a bigger boat but that is on the way.
The unit does stick mig and tig and aluminium mig. Cost 1800 and will do 3/8 plate with ease.
__________________
Sailing Lake Ontario
Sailing Solitude
knottygurl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-11-2013, 09:49   #36
Registered User
 
Sailormantx's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Newfoundland
Boat: 42' Colvin Gazelle
Posts: 253
Images: 2
Re: Sailing with a welder aboard?

Quote:
Originally Posted by hpeer View Post
Brent Swain, in his book, had a lash up to weld off an alternator.

Gotta find that book.
Brent is active on yahoo groups "origamiboats", should be able to contact him there.
Dave
__________________
Sailormantx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-11-2013, 11:32   #37
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 20
Re: Sailing with a welder aboard?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom45 View Post
The dynasty will work(automatically) to whatever power source you plug it into,
you would have to change the plug. It will work on 110vac just fine.Cost? 3k range In think. I don't have mine on the boat, but could easily accommodate it onboard, it's a portable unit.

Chuck
I have a small miller welder that is 110/220 that does tig and stick and it is about 12"long, 5"wide by about 12" high but it doesn't have the high frequency that is needed to do aluminum. It is easy to stow on board along with a small argon bottle but I would really like to be able to do aluminum as well. Any idea what the demensions are on your unit?

Rick
__________________
dive is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-11-2013, 22:07   #38
Registered User
 
Freedom45's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Somewhere in the Pacific
Boat: Freedom 45 hull#1
Posts: 177
Re: Sailing with a welder aboard?

Quote:
Originally Posted by dive View Post
I have a small miller welder that is 110/220 that does tig and stick and it is about 12"long, 5"wide by about 12" high but it doesn't have the high frequency that is needed to do aluminum. It is easy to stow on board along with a small argon bottle but I would really like to be able to do aluminum as well. Any idea what the demensions are on your unit?

Rick
Dynasty 200
H: 13.5 in. (343 mm)
W: 7.5 in. (191 mm)
D: 17.5 in. (445 mm)

You need AC to weld aluminum, steel uses DC. The dynasty does both.

Chuck
__________________
I Sail, Therefor I ARRrrr...
Freedom45 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-11-2013, 00:39   #39
Wayfaring Mariner
 
captain58sailin's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Homer, AK is my home port
Boat: Skookum 53'
Posts: 4,045
Images: 5
Re: Sailing with a welder aboard?

If you are going to carry a welder, make sure you can weld alum, ss, and carbon steel. Most boats will have some sort of stainless that needs repaired and that can be done with stick, but a wire feed unit would work better all around if you get one that runs aluminum too. Hobart makes a small wire feed that will run on 110v. I have a genset so can power a big enough unit to weld all the disicplines without running down my batteries.
__________________
" Wisdom; is your reward for surviving your mistakes"
captain58sailin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-11-2013, 22:43   #40
Marine Service Provider
 
nofacey's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Campbell River BC
Boat: Roberts V495
Posts: 37
Images: 3
Re: Sailing with a welder aboard?

I've been using an Everlast 205 - AC/DC Tig with pulse, stick, plasma arc. Will do 1/4 alum, 3/8 mild steel, cuts great.....but you'll need a 6kW generator (buddy is running his on 8kW, and has some room) and a tank of argon, plus an air compressor if you want to run plasma arc.

I'm wrestling to understand how a 15a, 120vac plug will supply enough power to weld 1/4 aluminum......my personal experience is that it takes 220vac power to do a good job on something more than sheet metal.

I'd love an answer to this post - as we'd like to be able to use the welding skills gained in building our babe!
__________________
NT Facey Esq.
Boat Builder Extraordinaire

http://dreamcatchermarine.blogspot.ca/
nofacey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-11-2013, 06:51   #41
Moderator
 
a64pilot's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Albany Ga.
Boat: Island Packet 38
Posts: 17,054
I don't understand how you can get enough heat from 1800 watts to weld .25" mild steel plate either, but I've seen t done. Seems like magic. You know free lunch, something from nothing? I have not seen aluminum welded with 1800 watts though, the machine we have lacks the high frequency to do it, others I think can.
I use watts as that levels the playing field as far as power, volts become irrelevant. Example in Europe 220V means something entirely different than in the US, in Europe we're really talking 220V, in the US, it's just two 110V lines.
__________________
a64pilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-11-2013, 07:17   #42
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: north carolina
Boat: command yachtsdouglas32
Posts: 3,113
Re: Sailing with a welder aboard?

I bought a kit that you hook to your alternator to weld small jobs ,never used it ,I keep it in my 71 ford bronco,but would work on the boat i am told ,there is a fellow on CF that says he built his boat with one and even posted photos ,i think it was one of the "Oragami"(sp?)boats..
__________________
tropicalescape is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-11-2013, 07:22   #43
Senior Cruiser
 
hpeer's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Philadelphia
Boat: Murray 33-Chouette & Pape Steelmaid-44-Safara-both steel cutters
Posts: 3,900
Re: Sailing with a welder aboard?

I'm kinda thinking if you have the welder, someone will have the power, esp if a bigger job is needed.
__________________
hpeer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-11-2013, 07:41   #44
Wayfaring Mariner
 
captain58sailin's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Homer, AK is my home port
Boat: Skookum 53'
Posts: 4,045
Images: 5
Re: Sailing with a welder aboard?

Even if you could repair a broken alternator mounting bracket, that would be big job, if you were in the middle of nowhere.
__________________
" Wisdom; is your reward for surviving your mistakes"
captain58sailin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-11-2013, 08:47   #45
Registered User
 
S/V Alchemy's Avatar

Join Date: May 2008
Location: Toronto
Boat: Custom 41' Steel Pilothouse Cutter
Posts: 4,576
Re: Sailing with a welder aboard?

Quote:
Originally Posted by captain58sailin View Post
Even if you could repair a broken alternator mounting bracket, that would be big job, if you were in the middle of nowhere.
Indeed. I feel that with a steel boat, I'd be missing an opportunity to be able to do quick 'n' dirty "get you to the next port" repairs. I plan to start with thin steel plate and wire-feed this winter, and move to 1/4" aluminum plate and gas later on.

I've met a few steel boat guys, and it's about 1/3 "have a welder aboard", 1/3 "wish I had a welder aboard" and 1/3 "wife wants a Beneteau 43 with a swim platform instead".
__________________

__________________
Can't sleep? Read www.alchemy2009.blogspot.com for fast relief. Can't read? Avoid www.volumesofsalt.blogspot.com, because it's just personal reviews of sea books.
S/V Alchemy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
metal, sail, sailing, steel, welder, Welding, work

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 15:23.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.