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Old 03-07-2016, 08:55   #1
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Sailing boat registration in Belgium

Does anyone know how a sailing boat can be registered under Belgian flag ? Cost ? Rules ? etc. - my boat is currently under UK flag but want to move it under Belgian flag for understanding reasons because of the Brexit...
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Brexit hasn't happened yet, and might not. Belgium disappearing however might (I sure hope so). What do you expect to gain from registering there?



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Re: Sailing boat registration in Belgium

Google.

Then email the selected company and ask for a quote.

This is what popped up as the top google pick when I typed "registration small craft in belgium":

Belgium flag : Boating registration in Belgium

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Brexit hasn't happened yet, and might not. Belgium disappearing however might (I sure hope so). What do you expect to gain from registering there?



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I do not want to loose the EU VAT status on my boat and also do not want to get out of the EU every 18 months as my boat is located on the Med France/Spain border and closest non EU is Africa...

from Belgium flag I expect same freedom , low cost and rexaing as from UK flag

btw: my first choice was Nederland but it looks like they may decide to leave EU also...
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Re: Sailing boat registration in Belgium

Low cost?

Well. Ask AT SOURCE.

My friends have 2 boats registered there ... not really low cost. Not compared to my plain national registration where our boat was born ...

When it is a private service (and it is in case of Belgian flag) then how can this be 'low cost' ???

Check the cost before jumping. There may be some extra benefits or not, but there is no talking about low cost up front.

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I do not want to loose the EU VAT status on my boat and also do not want to get out of the EU every 18 months as my boat is located on the Med France/Spain border and closest non EU is Africa...
VAT Status and Flag are entirely separate. A boat does not need to be EU registered to have EU VAT paid status. However some EU countries require a boat to be VAT paid in order to be registered. (Belgium is such a case...)
I doubt you would lose your VAT paid status if the UK leaves the EU...

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from Belgium flag I expect same freedom , low cost and rexaing as from UK flag

btw: my first choice was Nederland but it looks like they may decide to leave EU also...
And Belgium might decide to cease to exist altogether...

My suggestion: First see what happens. Probably Brexit will not happen. And if it does, then it what the consequences will be, and how to deal with them will become apparent soon enough.
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Re: Sailing boat registration in Belgium

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I do not want to loose the EU VAT status on my boat and also do not want to get out of the EU every 18 months as my boat is located on the Med France/Spain border and closest non EU is Africa...

from Belgium flag I expect same freedom , low cost and rexaing as from UK flag

btw: my first choice was Nederland but it looks like they may decide to leave EU also...
If you are a British national then you will be restricted on leaving your boat in Belgium for an extended period. You will in the same boat as other non EU nationals. Also there is a big question if you will be able to be EU VAT paid based on your UK VAT payment.

After article 50 is triggered the UK and EU have 2 years to sort all this out. I would suggest watch closely these negotiations re boats as we all know the devil will be in the yet to be worked out detail. I wouldn't at this point in time be making any assumptions on anything.
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There are lots of non-EU flagged boats that nevertheless stay in the EU pretty much indefinitely. VAT status issues are largely separate from flag state issues, and these are again different from right to travel issues...
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Re: Sailing boat registration in Belgium

In order to register your boat in Belgium you need to request a 'vlaggenbrief' via this website. (unfortunatly only in dutch or french).
Vlaggenbrief | FOD Mobiliteit

I'm not sure if you have to live in Belgium to register a boat here, but I know that there quite a lot of boats in spain which are registered in Belgium because the requirements are more relaxed than in Spain.

Anyway I suggest that you try to call the antwerp office of the goverment agency that handles these matters.
I'm sure almost everyone there will speak english.

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If you are a British national then you will be restricted on leaving your boat in Belgium for an extended period.
That is not true. Citizenship/nationality of the owner has always been irrelevant for VAT liability.

Residency matters. Residency outside EU may be good if VAT has not been paid, as you will get 18 months of relief on a boat that has not paid VAT.

The place where VAT is paid also matters.

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