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Old 30-08-2014, 15:12   #1
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I was wondering if any cruising sailors have a 'Defiberlator" machine onboard.
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Re: Safety at SEA.

Yes
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Yes, and O2 cylinders, and Pulse Oximiter, amongst other things
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Re: Safety at SEA.

Good, will put defibrillator on my list.
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Re: Safety at Sea

Just be careful, an AED does not cure all. It is only used for one waveform, a venticular fibrallation. (SP?) it will not work for an MI or other types of heart attack. Best is to keep really up to date with your CPR skills, and there was new data released this last week. You have to keep o2 getting to the brain, this requires compressions and oxygen.
How much o2 is only determined by a pulse oximeter. You have to keep over 93% to be in the green zone.
I think you should speak to a medical professional, and ask them if they had "x" amount of money to spend on EMT equipment, what would they buy? Maybe a paramedic is an even better person to ask.

IF you DO get an AED, remember that the battery is being used all the time while in storage, its doing self tests. We have placed a film of plastic between the battery and the contacts, and a bright label to pull it out before use. Of course it starts a self test program immediately, but, if you press the big red button it bypasses and is ready for deployment. This way the batteries last 10x longer, and they are hugely expensive if you don't make your own.
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Hang, on!

I would wait till some of the forum quacks see this thread before you go rushing out to buy a bit of stuff that maybe as useless as tits on a bull.

From what I understand you would need to be at a very high risk of heart attack before its worth it, and you need to have someone trained in its use as you can't go whackin yourself.

So if you are an old fat fart with a bad ECG, on statins, and a Doctor who doesnt shake hands just his head yes you might do with one. Then you might have a LIFETIME heart attack risk of 10 or 20%.

The rest of us have a heart attack risk of 5% or less for our lifetime. Thats just no value in wasting that sort of money.

The sailing stuff is pretty healthy and I only know of one guy who pegged out on board from a heart attack and he was in his 80's and a guest for the weekend.
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Hang, on!

I would wait till some of the forum quacks see this thread before you go rushing out to buy a bit of stuff that maybe as useless as tits on a bull.
You mean I shouldn't be converting that useless 4th charter version cabin to an ER?

Actually, I've got 1800 amps in my LiFePO bank and a 3,000 watt inverter.

I'm covered! CLEAR!

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How close to emergency services do you plan to cruise? An AED is not likely to change outcomes if the patient is not moved to a high care facility within a few hours - a very few. It may give you a warm and fuzzy feeling to have it onboard, but there are probably a lot of training and supplies that would be a lot more effective before spending money on the purchase and maintanace of an AED.
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My CPR training taught me that an AED pretty much triples the success rate of CPR alone which is around 5%.

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My CPR training taught me that an AED pretty much triples the success rate of CPR alone which is around 5%.

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And those survival rates are with the patient being taken directly to an advanced care facility. Not something typically available while cruising afar.
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You mean I shouldn't be converting that useless 4th charter version cabin to an ER?

Actually, I've got 1800 amps in my LiFePO bank and a 3,000 watt inverter.

I'm covered! CLEAR!

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