Originally Posted by stevewrye
Smack I agree with you that Oyster
and even HR's are not what they once were. I would not own any of them. We thought about a new HR but were schoked at how many changes away from a seaworthy
boat and a long passage
boats they have become in the last years. On that Boreal the owner decided he did not want the back rest with the hand hold over the top of back rest on settee I think he wanted boat for family charter
in Med. As you can see on the boreal coming down the companionway
one has sides one can be slammed into when coming down below in rough seas and that is a very good thing. But most of these pictures are sad indeed of boats where designers don't have a clue to safety
Steve, this is the interior
of a Boreal 47, the big brother of your boat. As you can see it has a very similar disposition regarding the standard Boreal 44 (the photo
It is no charter
boat and the Swiss family
that owns it is now cruising on your side of the pond:
Boreal 47 - NUVA
I don't agree with you that today's Halberg Rassy or Oyster
are worse than their predecessors, i think they are better, faster, more comfortable to live in.
I think that there are here some confusion in what you and few others call a bluewater boat regarding almost all others sailors that owns them, I mean modern bluewater boats. I have no doubt that the ones that buy Oysters buy them as bluewater boats for extensive cruising. They are used so much for that that some years ago they have made a rally, I mean a circumnavigation
rally with 25 Oysters, almost, if not all, modern Oysters:
Oyster World Rally | Celebrating 40 Years of Oyster
I don't know of any other brand that could have reunited 25 boats for a circumnavigation
and there is not so many of them around. Yes modern Oysters are bluewater boats because they are extensively used as that and designed for that.
The difference between the ones that own the Oysters and you regarding what they want from a bluewater boat has to do with a different philosophy regarding boat compromises. A Oyster owner wants a boat able to cross oceans safely, is not particularly interested in sailing in remote
places (Antarctic, Arctic and so on) and want a very comfortable boat with a very nice interior
to enjoy life all around the world.
They know that even if they travel far away and cross oceans the time they will be cruising on the cruising grounds will be vastly superior regarding the time they will pass crossing Oceans and even if the boat is suited for that, it is not optimized for living with the boat sailing oceans but optimized for cruising and living aboard
in nice places.
It seems to me that the standard Boreal are optimized to this kind of philosophy too, even if their aluminium hull
and the advantage of beaching makes them more suited to cruise
Boreal is a custom boat and you chose to make your boat more maximized to live aboard while offshore
sailing then to live aboard while coastal cruising or at anchor
. It is your choice even if believe that you will pass relatively few days crossing Oceans compared with the time you will pass doing coastal cruising and at anchor
, but from there to say that yours vision of a bluewater boat is the only valid one goes a long distance. Your vision of what is the ideal interior of a boat that is used for bluewater sailing is a lonely one and that's why even Boreal, that are bluewater boats, don't come with an interior you like.
In fact the philosophy regarding the Oyster interiors is no different from mass market boats that are also suited for bluewater sailing, I mean generically mass production boats with more than 45ft. I know that is not what you call a bluewater boat but I believe you should accept that for many they are, since they are bought and used for that, and I am thinking on the Oysters and their impressive 25 boats circumnavigation.
I hope you will not consider my honesty as something more then a difference of opinion regarding this and I sincerely hope you stick around this forum. The difference of opinion does not regard your boat or the way you adapted it to your lifestyle and taste, but in having a monolithic vision about what should be a bluewater boat, a exclusive one.