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Old 05-06-2015, 17:18   #181
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Re: 'Roger' does not mean 'Yes'

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But tell me, in which state of Australia can they breath test the crew?

That must be something very new as I've never heard of any state having that sort of power.
Yes that would seem to be an excess of power

Nanny states are strange things...Victoria was always considered to be the most extreme with Qld and the NT being the least but ever since the 90s, Qld has been on a mission to trump Vic and it seems to be almost there while NT is still pretty laid back. Although only a newcomer to the southern island state, it seems to me that this state doesnt have a enough cash to go out and worry the inhabitants.
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Old 05-06-2015, 17:47   #182
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Re: 'Roger' does not mean 'Yes'

Rustic,

We were in NSW. they weren't abusing their power. Five of the crew had been on the helm so they breath tested all five including me as skipper. We weren't annoyed that they tested us. They certainly have the right to do that. It was more about the frequency which definitely was odd.

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Old 05-06-2015, 21:03   #183
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Rustic,

We were in NSW. they weren't abusing their power. Five of the crew had been on the helm so they breath tested all five including me as skipper. We weren't annoyed that they tested us. They certainly have the right to do that. It was more about the frequency which definitely was odd.

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ok, thanks for that clarification. Even breath testing others that have been at the helm is a bit excessive. Though, five at the helm, seems a bit strange in itself. :

The frequency is frustrating. I'm supposing they were having a blitz and it was different police each time?

We would frequently have upset drivers whilst carrying out RBT's claim that they had only been check around the corner, or if it's a static RBT where we set up and blocked a road off, sometimes we would have someone come back and get stung and they would complain.
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Re: 'Roger' does not mean 'Yes'

From memory, I'd just come back onto the wheel within sight of the police launch as she approached and I handed over to a different member of the crew to find out what they wanted. So there was three crew they had every right to test immediately.

Personally, I strongly support RBT both on the water and on the hard. There have been some particularly stupid things done after a few drinks and some people simply need to be protected from themeselves.

And, yes, I'd happily move to Tassie with you and Wotname except for the fact that I prefer to have a year round sailing season. There's something about 10 degree water that I dislike.

Currently finalising the search for my next boat and it looks like I'll be bringing one back from overseas as I can't find what I want here. Might even rename her something to do with Roger - got to keep this thread relevant.

Oh, yes... nearly forgot. Five at the helm is not unusual on a bigger boat where the skipper likes everyone to be trained to do everyone else's jobs. And it's especially true for overnight races where you are standing watches through the night.
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From memory, I'd just come back onto the wheel within sight of the police launch as she approached and I handed over to a different member of the crew to find out what they wanted. So there was three crew they had every right to test immediately.

Personally, I strongly support RBT both on the water and on the hard. There have been some particularly stupid things done after a few drinks and some people simply need to be protected from themeselves.

And, yes, I'd happily move to Tassie with you and Wotname except for the fact that I prefer to have a year round sailing season. There's something about 10 degree water that I dislike.

Currently finalising the search for my next boat and it looks like I'll be bringing one back from overseas as I can't find what I want here. Might even rename her something to do with Roger - got to keep this thread relevant.

Oh, yes... nearly forgot. Five at the helm is not unusual on a bigger boat where the skipper likes everyone to be trained to do everyone else's jobs. And it's especially true for overnight races where you are standing watches through the night.
Roger that

Yeah, it can get pretty cold. Neg 5 on Wednesday morning. First time it's got that low in many years. Lol but we have some fantastic sailing ground.
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Testing over and again? That, gentlemen, is what comes from living in two of the world's worst Nanny States: Australia and the UK.
Should have stuck the the UK

No rules here on the water.
(for sailing boats under a certain size anyway)
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Re: 'Roger' does not mean 'Yes'

Conachair,

The last time I sailed over there was in an Admiral's Cup. Trust me, I found plenty of rules then and ran afoul of a few too. Sailing is definitely different over there to over here.
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The last time I sailed over there was in an Admiral's Cup. Trust me, I found plenty of rules then and ran afoul of a few too. Sailing is definitely different over there to over here.
Which ones?
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Re: 'Roger' does not mean 'Yes'

Nothing major but there was one at a start which had us all really puzzled. We turned away to avoid a collision when we had right of way and got a stream of vitriolic abuse from the other boat. Never did discover what their problem was and couldn't be bothered going to them later to find out.

Clearly hadn't been rogered in the week before the race.
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Nothing major but there was one at a start which had us all really puzzled. We turned away to avoid a collision when we had right of way and got a stream of vitriolic abuse from the other boat. Never did discover what their problem was and couldn't be bothered going to them later to find out.

Clearly hadn't been rogered in the week before the race.
Ah, racing rules. I was thinking sailing rules. Which are next to zero , ironically for a country so fond of health and safety.
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The crew getting a breathalyzer? That sounds awful. The skipper would have to be staggering drunk around here to even warrant a breathalyzer, and then skipper only.

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Re: 'Roger' does not mean 'Yes'

So, what do you think would have happened if one of the crew failed the breathalize test? Is there a law against being drunk on board? This seems OTT to me!

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Re: 'Roger' does not mean 'Yes'

I agree with the spirit of th O.P.

I came from the aviation world into boating and was pretty shocked at how sloppy things are.

This is how a radio should be used:



No insane endless both sides - single, double or heaven forbid, triple call sign repetition. No use of "over". Ever. You know from the squelch it is your go. Absolutely never, ever, ever using "over and out". No waffling, slow, unbusiness-like responses. PTT on, message out, button off, shut the flip up quick. That's how it should be done.

And I don't agree that roger and wilco are anything but utterly concise and appropriate. Copy and contact also for that matter too.

I think sailors pro and amateur have a lot to learn from the aviation world. Sorry, rant over.
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