Originally Posted by psneeld
You have fallen into the typical mindset that a rescue will follow some lines of thought you have preconcieved. THAT is where YOU as the rescuee can be in trouble. You wind up having to go with the flow as you are not directing the rescue. YOur radio
may not be working, the wind may be howling so hard comms on your seventeen backup handhelds can't be understood...the language barrier may be tough as now you are doing something non-standard in the ships world...etc...etc.
My whole point is when something like this happens and you are being rescued by anyone except a trained/equipped rescue crew...flexibility on your part is the key...you might be expected to do anyhthing on a moments notice...because at that point the safety of the ship and his/her crew is the most important...YOU are expendable.
I am quite well aware of the potential difficulties of dealing with a ship at sea, and language difficulties and radio problems. I have some decent amount of direct experience in dealing with all these issues.
We can certainly agree that flexibility is important in the sort of situations we are discussing. And in fact in my posts above I have brought up various plan B's and C's, for if plan A becomes unworkable (both for the basic procedure, and for the specific discussion on lifting) which I think should have at least been suggestive to you that I in fact have not "fallen into the typical mindset that a rescue will follow some lines of thought you have preconcieved."
And we can agree that the ship will not want (And I would not expect them to) to put their crew at any significant risk. The sailboat being rescued is of course the party at risk.
And we can agree that with a trained and equipped USCG crew I would probably do just what they tell me because they almost certainly know best (but I would sure still think it thru to see if I see any unexpected traps) - unless there is something quite distinctive with my vessel or crew - like perhaps just for example I had a blind crew member
- then I would be responsible to try to make sure we are not using the vanilla rescue plan but rather one adapted to be as safe as possible for my crew.
But I DO NOT agree that the sailboat skipper
should do any stupid thing he is told by a non-uscg ship. You seem to be suggesting that the sail boat skipper
should just be passive and do whatever the ship tells him with no question or suggestions. I disagree.
The sailboat skipper will know his vessel and crew capability while the ship will most likely not. The sail boat skipper has a responsibility to try to achieve the best and safest procedure for his crew. Yes, this could be difficult in the stress of the moment and with different languages but it is the skippers responsibility to make his best effort if he thinks what's being suggested is manifestly unsafe for his crew. I believe you will find in practice that almost always the ships crew is quite willing to listen to the sail boat skipper and work with him to achieve the best possible outcome.
I will always remember the parting comment from a ukrainian radio operator on a ship after they helped us in the South Atlantic (they dropped us 20lts of motor oil
after we had gotten seawater into our engine
block): in broken English
"welcome, no problem, we all seamen together"
Originally Posted by psneeld
..but in most survival situations you often only have what you have on your back when things get ugly....
We can agree that of course once the rescue operation is in action things can get more messy with less time to react. But most of the 'rescues by ship' I am aware of were long developing and relatively slow processes with plenty of time to get out the right/best gear
(like a climbing harness) IF the crew is thinking ahead about the various scenarios and possibilities.