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Old 18-11-2011, 09:52   #46
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Re: Rescued at Sea - Are You Prepared ?

Do you mean " A sea rescue during a storm is never Safe"
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Do you mean " A sea rescue during a storm is never Safe"
More or less... sorry... my Portuguese aint that good...
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Old 18-11-2011, 10:29   #48
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A storm at sea is not different than any other events that require rescuers. A rescue operation must be a safe operation.
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I have read your draft. You should realize that no one will risk their lives to save someone. A rescue operation should be a safe procedure. It is when the operation goes wrong that people risk and lose their lives. You cannot ask or force someone to risk its life. Yes some people will take pictures and enjoy the entertainment but the person rescued should be content that he, she, is alive and not blame other for the great fright that he experienced which is all of his making.
Thanks for reading the draft and for the feedback. As I've said on other forums, I'm no longer interested in critiquing Mr. Sabbag.

The main point here is what you allude to - one really is on one's own in most ship rescues up to the point where the crew can safely help you onto the deck. And this is backed by perfectly valid reasoning.

So when you start really thinking of this along with the conditions/risks/difficulties you see in those videos, then start thinking of your own physical abilities, then especially those of your crew and/or family that might be with you - it gets pretty sobering pretty quickly.

It's not about blame. It's about being better prepared.
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Old 18-11-2011, 10:50   #50
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A storm at sea is not different than any other events that require rescuers. A rescue operation must be a safe operation.
Not sure how many at sea rescues you have participated in or supervised...but after at least several thousand during 35 years of USCG/Assistance towing & salvage....I can only agree part of your statement.

Often the rescue is done well outside normal operating limits of machines and well outside the normal training limits of the crews. While this isn't normally unsafe as we know people and machinery do it all the time...there is "risK" involved so using the word safety is old school. The newer terminology is risk management (unless they have come up with something even newer). You manage the risks to minimize but not eliminate dangerous activity and hope that the crew and machinery perform at the required level.

When bad things happen it's usually because of a compounding of issues that get out of the control of the rescuers or mission commander (if off scene).

PS...oh by the way...I'm talking trained rescue crews and the proper equipment (too a point)...rescue by the average merchant/commecial vessel or by fellow recreational boaters requires an even higher degree of risk management.
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. It's about being better prepared.
Yes you are right, to be prepared for all circumstances which include not be rescued at all. I see no degree in preparation or you are prepared or you are not.
Simple, may be old school.
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Yes you are right, to be prepared for all circumstances which include not be rescued at all. I see no degree in preparation or you are prepared or you are not.
Simple, may be old school.
And way wrong...of course there are degrees of preparation....on both the recuers part and rescuees part....just like being prepared to sail offshore there are degrees...both universally accepted ones and individual ones.
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And way wrong...of course there are degrees of preparation....on both the recuers part and rescuees part....just like being prepared to sail offshore there are degrees...both universally accepted ones and individual ones.
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Then why did he get off in the first place? If I were the CG - I wouldn't be happy about that.

He left the boat because he had to in order to get his crew to safety. The CG required that all leave. They also told him to scuttle his boat so it would not become a navigation hazard.

He did not do that. He set a beacon on a rarely used frequency, and went back the next day with a trawler or something, found his boat, and saved it.

I don't imagine the CG would have liked it. I'm pretty sure the CG doesn't know.
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He left the boat because he had to in order to get his crew to safety. The CG required that all leave. They also told him to scuttle his boat so it would not become a navigation hazard.

He did not do that. He set a beacon on a rarely used frequency, and went back the next day with a trawler or something, found his boat, and saved it.

I don't imagine the CG would have liked it. I'm pretty sure the CG doesn't know.
Wow.

So I wonder what was going on with the crew to force him to make the call if he didn't want to/didn't feel the need to make it? Sounds pretty screwed up all the way 'round.
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And way wrong...of course there are degrees of preparation....on both the recuers part and rescuees part....just like being prepared to sail offshore there are degrees...both universally accepted ones and individual ones.
I disagree. You are prepared or you are not.
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Thanks for reading the draft and for the feedback.
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I disagree. You are prepared or you are not.
Ahhhh... a confident man... prepared for everything...
Even the unexpected...
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I disagree. You are prepared or you are not.
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It depend what meaning you give to "unexpected"
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