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Old 02-08-2013, 13:02   #391
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Re: Regret to Inform Have Lost my Boat off Honduras...

Probably even more true when sailing downwind as it seemed the OP was doing.
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Old 02-08-2013, 13:13   #392
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It is a hard life... and all that Yuengling that Andrew B sent has got me flopping all over the place...
Must be ....

because I'm having a really hard time believing you haven't suggested that he could have doused the main and made landfall under freeboard alone.....just in case he didn't expect the rigging to provide enough power....
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because I'm having a really hard time believing you haven't suggested that he could have doused the main and made landfall under freeboard alone.....just in case he didn't expect the rigging to provide enough power....
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Must be ....

because I'm having a really hard time believing you haven't suggested that he could have doused the main and made landfall under freeboard alone.....just in case he didn't expect the rigging to provide enough power....

I challenge you to dock your boat one day using the freeboard to steer your boat. I can be done.

Not power -- steer. I had power. I didn't have steering.
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Re: Regret to Inform Have Lost my Boat off Honduras...


Oh - interesting report...

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A new 10-meter sailing boat with American flag, named Serenity, ran aground off the coast of Xcalak, damaging more than 35 square meters of reef, including brain coral colonies and fire, reported, Maria del Carmen Garcia Rivas , Director of the Biosphere Reserve Banco Chinchorro.

The official in charge of this protected area, warned that this boat has endangered the acroporas or elkhorn species protection, which is stipulated in the Mexican Official Standard 059 environmental law.

He noted that already has filed the appropriate report to the PGR and Profepa so that investigations carried out and to identify and punish the owner and responsible for the damage to the marine ecosystem.
"On July 30 in the early morning a sailboat ran aground named Serenity, to us they told us at 8:30, went to the area about 3 kilómtros about where our station, and we review, is stuck a yacht of 10 meters length gringa flag and name Serenity, and no person on board, damaged about 35 square meters of reef, affecting species such as brain coral, fire coral and are at risk some acroporas palmatas or elkhorn, so and proceeded to make a report to the Attorney General's Office and the Federal Environmental Protection ".
The Serenity is the seventh boat that has run aground in the last four years in this area of ​​reef, which caused severe damage to these organisms that grow only 2 centimeters per year.

The interviewee said that the lack of signage in the area has been the main cause of several sailboats aground in this protected natural area.
"There is no signage, in fact I have a meeting with the SCT, but we have had two attempts to signal the area, but there are specifications Boating Law and we as Conanp not reach them, because they are very expensive buoys, but we can get buoys as we put on the reef to snorkel, but we would be in conversation with the SCT to tell and prevent further damage. "

He explained that when the grounding reaching the place, there were people on the boat, so it has already begun the search for those responsible, in addition to already working with the Secretary of the Navy, the PGR, Conanp and other authorities, for removal of the vessel as soon as possible, in order to prevent further impairment of the coral reef.
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The boat was abandoned twice (by a different Skipper) within a few days?!

The word "punish" does not forbode well for OP turning up........
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"He explained that when the grounding reaching the place, there were people on the boat, so it has already begun the search for those responsible, in addition to already working with the Secretary of the Navy, the PGR, Conanp and other authorities, for removal of the vessel as soon as possible, in order to prevent further impairment of the coral reef."

OK....soooooo?????????????????????? all these posts and somebody back when was worried about what were facts or not????

Then again...are these facts?????
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Some people suggested sailing back under mainsail only.

I don't know about other boats, but my boat even with a _new_ mainsail barely crawls (if any) without a headsail up. Headsail is for driving and mainsail for balance..
Any boat should move with just the mainsail. You won't win any races, and probably won't be able to sail to windward very well, but you should be able to move.

One time I recovered a boat that had been grounded. There was no engine and no sails were on board. I found a small blue tarp and hoisted that up as a jib. It got us to a marina and safety -- slowly, but we made it. Fortunately it was a beam-reach or downwind, which may have not been the case in the OP's situation.
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That is why, this skipper should never ever set foot in Mexico! They will want nothing less than his skin!

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Re: Regret to Inform Have Lost my Boat off Honduras...

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Wonder if someone boarded the adrift boat and was going to sail it to a port and claim salvage rights?
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Wonder if someone boarded the adrift boat and was going to sail it to a port and claim salvage rights?
If I was the original owner that would be my defense.... I was headed back to the Caymans and the boat was trimmed for that...the other guys hit the reef!
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" fear can be debilitating to many !" Absolutely so. And people differ in styles of handling fear. My style is to own up to the fear to myself, and then try to manage the situation. But that style is only one of many, including the throwing up the hands and screaming for help one. I have no real data to back this up, but I do think that the subtle training people get to let other people make decisions for them, and not take personal responsibility for outcomes is a pervasive and deleterious part of our society. ...and it ill fits its members to cross oceans, because they make terrible assumptions, like driving a boat is no different from driving a car, and the GPS'll tell me how to get there; or how about the "they'll rescue me" assumption...

How unreal can you get? They'll rescue you if you can ask, if the rescue guys are there, if there's fuel for their boat and if it's in good nick, if they don't kill you in the process, or your boat crush you, if they could find you in time--I'm sure you can think of more ifs. Too many possible failure modes. So today's new cruisers have unrealistic expectations. And taking a few lessons just doesn't teach them what a sailing apprenticeship would have. Which is why the advice to work your way up in boat size is around. Smaller boats teach you faster.

It is actually more unsafe for cruisers starting out today than for us who started before SatNav, because they trust electronics and underrate the effects of chance events, because they have too many dollars, and not even rudimentary mechanical ability accompanied by little desire to learn, and big egos, little experience. Someone can be quite competent, own his or her own business, manage employess, make profits, and still be ill equipped to skipper his/her own vessel. Different skill sets are required.

It is not from a desire to condemn Mr. Serenity that I write all this, but because it's such a waste, was all preventable, and is ever more common. What a shame!

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PS, in re-reading this, I did not mean that real rescues can not happen. I think a number of SAR outfits do amazing and wonderful rescues. It is just that rescue really isn't as cut and dried as some people seem to believe, especially when there is a violent sea state.
You you really hit the nail on the head with that post. Exactly what I have been trying to say.

It is also becoming very apparent which forum members are true and competent sailors (responsible adults) and which are not.
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Oh - interesting report...

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He explained that when the grounding reaching the place, there were people on the boat, so it has already begun the search for those responsible, in addition to already working with the Secretary of the Navy, the PGR, Conanp and other authorities, for removal of the vessel as soon as possible, in order to prevent further impairment of the coral reef.

Would have been cheaper and better all around to have helped the fellow out when he asked for it.
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Sure it is. I can do it without even trying...just ask anyone I work with...or my kids...or my wife....



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